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OK, will comply. . . . . . .
But, we are discussing a religious war, as the participants themselves have stated repeatedly.
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Israel and Hamas Conflict; The Politics and More
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OK, will comply. . . . . . .
But, we are discussing a religious war, as the participants themselves have stated repeatedly.
leVieux
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Yep.
Yep, too.
This was recognized when the thread started. Post #1 describes how we'll deal with it. The thread has thus far been afforded rather loose moderation on this matter and I want that to continue to be true.
For the purposes of this thread, we grant that some practitioners of Islam, specifically Hamas and at least some other violent sectors, want a global caliphate where everyone is firmly under the heel of some interpretation of religion-based law. That's enough for this discussion.
Doing more guarantees that the conversation will veer into a long list of condemnations and comparisons that would get way off in the weeds, feature quotes from religious texts as arguments, and result in the same old "This belief good, that belief bad" garbage that has resulted in people getting butthurt, becoming uncivil, and requiring bans.
We've permanently lost long-standing, quality members when religious beliefs are questioned.
We don't need to go through that again, even if achieving that goal causes this thread to be less detailed than many people, including me, think it should be.
OK, you covered the wars you personally fought in. There were earlier ones also.
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Appears Israel is going to finish the job… and eliminate remaining Hamas terrorists
www.breitbart.com
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) urged residents of Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip, to evacuate to nearby “safe” zones on Monday as a long-delayed attack by Israel against the last Hamas strongholds appeared to be imminent.
The apparent mobilization of the IDF came after Hamas fired rockets from close range at the Kerem Shalom crossing, where humanitarian aid crosses from Israel into Gaza, on Saturday, killing four soldiers and wounding several others.
The U.S. has been telling Israel, privately and publicly, not to attack Rafah since February. Israel insisted it would do so, regardless of international pressure and regardless of hostage talks, to complete its goal of destroying Hamas.
The IDF has been dropping flyers on Rafah with maps indicating where residents should take refuge during the fighting.
The IDF elaborated in a statement (original emphasis):
Talks are said to be deadlocked on that point. U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director William Burns shuttled between Doha, Qatar, and Jerusalem, Israel on Sunday and Monday in a last-ditch effort to save a potential deal.
Rafah is strategically significant because it is along the Egyptian border and controls underground smuggling routes through which Hamas obtains its weapons, and through which its leaders might hope to escape if Israel relents.
The vast majority of Israelis back an attack on Rafah, though the Israeli public is split over whether an operation in Rafah should precede a hostage deal. Hamas’s attack on Kerem Shalom may have made the decision for them.
The IDF’s moves toward an attack came on the nation’s Holocaust memorial day, hours after Netanyahu warned: “In the terrible Holocaust, there were great world leaders who stood by idly; therefore, the first lesson of the Holocaust is: If we do not defend ourselves, nobody will defend us. And if we need to stand alone, we will stand alone.”
The message was interpreted by some observers to be a message to U.S. President Joe Biden about Israeli intentions in Rafah.
IDF Urges Rafah Evacuations; Drops Flyers in Gaza; Attack Imminent
The IDF urged residents of Rafah to evacuate as a long-delayed attack by Israel against the last Hamas battalions was imminent.
www.breitbart.com
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) urged residents of Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip, to evacuate to nearby “safe” zones on Monday as a long-delayed attack by Israel against the last Hamas strongholds appeared to be imminent.
The apparent mobilization of the IDF came after Hamas fired rockets from close range at the Kerem Shalom crossing, where humanitarian aid crosses from Israel into Gaza, on Saturday, killing four soldiers and wounding several others.
The U.S. has been telling Israel, privately and publicly, not to attack Rafah since February. Israel insisted it would do so, regardless of international pressure and regardless of hostage talks, to complete its goal of destroying Hamas.
The IDF has been dropping flyers on Rafah with maps indicating where residents should take refuge during the fighting.
The IDF elaborated in a statement (original emphasis):
In a separate statement, the IDF explained:
The apparent mobilization of IDF forces to begin the Rafah operation could be an elaborate bluff to increase pressure on Hamas to accept a hostage deal. Hamas has held out for an Israeli commitment to end the war with any such deal.
Talks are said to be deadlocked on that point. U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director William Burns shuttled between Doha, Qatar, and Jerusalem, Israel on Sunday and Monday in a last-ditch effort to save a potential deal.
Rafah is strategically significant because it is along the Egyptian border and controls underground smuggling routes through which Hamas obtains its weapons, and through which its leaders might hope to escape if Israel relents.
The vast majority of Israelis back an attack on Rafah, though the Israeli public is split over whether an operation in Rafah should precede a hostage deal. Hamas’s attack on Kerem Shalom may have made the decision for them.
The IDF’s moves toward an attack came on the nation’s Holocaust memorial day, hours after Netanyahu warned: “In the terrible Holocaust, there were great world leaders who stood by idly; therefore, the first lesson of the Holocaust is: If we do not defend ourselves, nobody will defend us. And if we need to stand alone, we will stand alone.”
The message was interpreted by some observers to be a message to U.S. President Joe Biden about Israeli intentions in Rafah.
General Zod
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Godspeed to the IDF.
<>Appears Israel is going to finish the job… and eliminate remaining Hamas terrorists
IDF Urges Rafah Evacuations; Drops Flyers in Gaza; Attack Imminent
The IDF urged residents of Rafah to evacuate as a long-delayed attack by Israel against the last Hamas battalions was imminent.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) urged residents of Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip, to evacuate to nearby “safe” zones on Monday as a long-delayed attack by Israel against the last Hamas strongholds appeared to be imminent.
The apparent mobilization of the IDF came after Hamas fired rockets from close range at the Kerem Shalom crossing, where humanitarian aid crosses from Israel into Gaza, on Saturday, killing four soldiers and wounding several others.
The U.S. has been telling Israel, privately and publicly, not to attack Rafah since February. Israel insisted it would do so, regardless of international pressure and regardless of hostage talks, to complete its goal of destroying Hamas.
The IDF has been dropping flyers on Rafah with maps indicating where residents should take refuge during the fighting.
The IDF elaborated in a statement (original emphasis):
In a separate statement, the IDF explained:
The apparent mobilization of IDF forces to begin the Rafah operation could be an elaborate bluff to increase pressure on Hamas to accept a hostage deal. Hamas has held out for an Israeli commitment to end the war with any such deal.
Talks are said to be deadlocked on that point. U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director William Burns shuttled between Doha, Qatar, and Jerusalem, Israel on Sunday and Monday in a last-ditch effort to save a potential deal.
Rafah is strategically significant because it is along the Egyptian border and controls underground smuggling routes through which Hamas obtains its weapons, and through which its leaders might hope to escape if Israel relents.
The vast majority of Israelis back an attack on Rafah, though the Israeli public is split over whether an operation in Rafah should precede a hostage deal. Hamas’s attack on Kerem Shalom may have made the decision for them.
The IDF’s moves toward an attack came on the nation’s Holocaust memorial day, hours after Netanyahu warned: “In the terrible Holocaust, there were great world leaders who stood by idly; therefore, the first lesson of the Holocaust is: If we do not defend ourselves, nobody will defend us. And if we need to stand alone, we will stand alone.”
The message was interpreted by some observers to be a message to U.S. President Joe Biden about Israeli intentions in Rafah.
Indeed, this is a REAL War for survival; and the courtesy of Israel in announcing next attack sites to allow civilian evacuations is unprecedented.
Once more, the Obiden demoncrats employ falsehoods to weaken a long term ALLY !
We all know which is the civilization, and which are the terrorists.
The World must back Israel. Remember that Hamas-Palestine still holds INNOCENT CIVILIAN HOSTAGES; which morally justifies anything the IDF decides to do.
leVieux
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Doesn't seem like much of a war for survival, unless we are talking about a war to ensure the survival of the enemy.
If you are announcing next attack sites, the enemy will simply move all mobile assets of importance away from that site and fight on, having sustained the least damage possible.
These idiot leftists think they can make war into something palatable. Doesn't work that way. Hell will never be a vacation destination, war will never be nice. All they are doing is preventing the end of war, and prolonging the suffering.
We know this, but the rest of the world can't even figure out which bathroom to use. How can they be expected to distinguish between terrorism and civilization?
General Zod
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A claim like that needs sources.
Big, bold, verifiable, public sources with excellent to nonpareil track records.
Seeing or hearing? If you are off your meds, again, seeing would be par for the course.
Israeli intelligence leak details extent of warnings over Hamas attack
Officer who reviewed intelligence considered risk of big attack ‘an imaginary scenario’, leak suggests
Others have reported that Egypt & US gave clear warnings to Mossad a day earlier.
New evidence that IDF shelled Israeli citizens on Oct. 7, killing over a hundred - Middle East Observer
Several new testimonies by Israeli witnesses to the October 7 Hamas surprise attack on settlements in the vicinity of Gaza add to growing evidence that the Israeli military killed its own citizens as they fought [ More ... ]
middleeastobserver.org
Israeli intelligence leak details extent of warnings over Hamas attack
Officer who reviewed intelligence considered risk of big attack ‘an imaginary scenario’, leak suggestswww.theguardian.com
Others have reported that Egypt & US gave clear warnings to Mossad a day earlier.
New evidence that IDF shelled Israeli citizens on Oct. 7, killing over a hundred - Middle East Observer
Several new testimonies by Israeli witnesses to the October 7 Hamas surprise attack on settlements in the vicinity of Gaza add to growing evidence that the Israeli military killed its own citizens as they fought [ More ... ]
Boooo! It’s very antisemitic of you to share these articles that I shared in this thread 7 months ago.
Do you even condemn Hamas??
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