Talk about "rights"

[TrailDust]

I've got a rant for you. What I'm fed up with is how everything in America now is called a "right." People claims rights for everything nowadays, from gay marriage to health care. Who said those are rights?! Show me one passage in the Bible that says gay marriage is a right, or that government-run health care is an 11th Commandment. If jackasses are going to run around declaring rights, then I say what about the most basic of all human rights: The need to eat. THAT is our most basic human right, since without food or water we absolutely cannot survive. Therefore, all food and drink should be provided to the public for free, or at the very least at a dramatically reduced cost due to government subsidization.

I say we're fools and being cheated big time by getting government-run health care, food and water for free should come first. Stand up for you most basic human right and to the government that will supply them to you.

[Wolfwood]

hey! you have no right to ciritcize The State!
echelon is watching!

[kingofwylietx]

It's become the norm for people to say they have a 'right' to something, 'deserve' something, or have 'earned' something......when, in fact, they have done nothing.

[navyguy]

I believe the only intrinsic right you have is to PURSUE the things you need and want, and to be left alone by the government to do so. The things that are enumerated in the constitution and Bill of Rights are there to protect the citizens from tyranny by the government, not to grant free shit to people.

[MadMo44Mag]

Originally Posted by navyguy

I believe the only intrinsic right you have is to PURSUE the things you need and want, and to be left alone by the government to do so. The things that are enumerated in the constitution and Bill of Rights are there to protect the citizens from tyranny by the government, not to grant free shit to people.

Amen and +10001!!

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by TrailDust

Show me one passage in the Bible that says gay marriage is a right

so our rights are limited to what's in the bible?
How about stoning your children when they piss you off?

Our rights to liberty extend only as far as our neighbors' property.

This goes both ways, you only have the right to tell me what I can't do so far as it affects you. I know I'm probably the minority here defending gay rights, but an infringement on any liberty is an infringement on all liberties. Gun rights, homosexual rights, drug addicts rights and property rights are all the same thing.

[TrailDust]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

so our rights are limited to what's in the bible?
How about stoning your children when they piss you off?

Our rights to liberty extend only as far as our neighbors' property.

This goes both ways, you only have the right to tell me what I can't do so far as it affects you. I know I'm probably the minority here defending gay rights, but an infringement on any liberty is an infringement on all liberties. Gun rights, homosexual rights, drug addicts rights and property rights are all the same thing.

I should have included those right granted by the Constitution as well when writing that earlier material, and clarified the Bible as being a source of "guidance" IMO.

I would have to say that like it or not, this country was founded by people who had extremely strong religious beliefs, which are reflected in the wording of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Homosexual rights were not addressed in those documents, but guns were. Health care was not addressed nor was the food, since the belief system in those days were that a person/family took care of his or her own.

I think where this country went wrong was it did not follow Thomas Jefferson's desire to have a weak central government, weak state and county governments, but have most of the laws/governing body at the city or town level. That form of government would have granted each person their basic rights as outlined in the Constitution, but citizens could pursue their liberty in communities of like-minded individuals. That would have allowed a much easier path for people who wanted their "right" to gay marriage to live in whatever city granted that, but it would not be thrust onto or otherwise be made a right for the rest of the country. Health care, same thing.

[thorkyl]

a chicken in every pot
a home for everyone

People only have 2 true rights

1 - to be conceived
2 - to eventually die

Other than that we are free to do what we please as long as it is accord with our God
and we do not upset the almighty obamanation and his sack of pelosi

[M. Sage]

Originally Posted by TrailDust

I should have included those right granted by the Constitution as well when writing that earlier material, and clarified the Bible as being a source of "guidance" IMO.

I would have to say that like it or not, this country was founded by people who had extremely strong religious beliefs, which are reflected in the wording of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Homosexual rights were not addressed in those documents, but guns were. Health care was not addressed nor was the food, since the belief system in those days were that a person/family took care of his or her own.

I think where this country went wrong was it did not follow Thomas Jefferson's desire to have a weak central government, weak state and county governments, but have most of the laws/governing body at the city or town level. That form of government would have granted each person their basic rights as outlined in the Constitution, but citizens could pursue their liberty in communities of like-minded individuals. That would have allowed a much easier path for people who wanted their "right" to gay marriage to live in whatever city granted that, but it would not be thrust onto or otherwise be made a right for the rest of the country. Health care, same thing.

There were a lot of things the Founders didn't go right out and define as rights, even though it's pretty obvious to a thinking person that those things are rights.

Funny you talk about the strong Christian convictions of the founders and then talk about the vision of Jefferson who was lukewarm toward Christianity at best.

I'm with Thorkyl on his definition of the scope of rights.

[Hawghauler]

Hey TD,

I am with you. The leftist party is a coalition of homosexuals, animal rights, earth first, green movement, self appointed minority Latino leaders, self appointed minority black leaders, socialist, and every other anti liberty weenie you can think of that unite in a concept of taking everything free people have created and earned.