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    garand specific 30.06 ammo

    just got back from a quick trip to the Grapevine Bass Pro - not a single guy working in the gun section had a clue about the difference between commercial ammo and the military type ammo for the M1 Garand

    one of the older dudes - "you can shoot this thru your garand without any problems"

    umm, yeah ok - thanks for your help

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    Re: garand specific 30.06 ammo

    Commercial ammo in a Garand? This is what you need. Creedmoor*Sports**::*Parts...
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    Re: garand specific 30.06 ammo

    Slower powders are the problem and what's in the commercial ammo is an unknown. I'm sure some would work fine. ...and, you can add an adjustable gas "plug" and make most anything work.

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    Re: garand specific 30.06 ammo

    yeah i tried to explain the difference in the rate of the powder burn between the two, but it was lost on the guy helping me

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    Re: garand specific 30.06 ammo

    i know the feeling, had a guy at academy tell me 9mm nato was the same as all other 9mm and looked lost when i told him it was more like 9mm +P. Not sure he knew what that meant
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    Re: garand specific 30.06 ammo

    Never shoot commercial ammo in an M-1. It will wreck your operating rod. The pressure curves of modern propellants will certainly cause you grief.

    Stick with G.I. spec ammo any time you shoot the M1 Garand.

    30.06 M1 or M2 Ball loaded in government ammo plants, or reloaded to the same specifications should always be used.

    There is still a lot of surplus G.I. ammo in the market place that has corrosive primer compounds.

    If you shoot anything made before 1953, consider it corrosive, and clean accordingly.

    If you are an old fart, you will know which lots of G.I. ammo need a good cleaning with soap and water after shooting.

    For those of you born after 1950, you'll just have to look it up on Google.

    Be well.
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    Re: garand specific 30.06 ammo

    I found out about this a few years back. Now i only shoot ammo that comes loaded in EN block clips.
    Good luck. you won't get any help from the gun store experts.

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    Re: garand specific 30.06 ammo

    from another board... I found it helpful when I began to reload for the Garands...

    The following is from C.E. Harris. Hope this helps.

    Date: 09 Apr 94 22:23:53
    From: Ed Harris
    To: Randy C. Davis
    Subj: M-1 Loads

    In a message of <Apr 08 13:17>, Randy C. Davis (1:124/2107) writes:
    Ed, seems like some time back you published some cautions for
    reloading for the M-1 Garand. Would you mind pointing me in the
    right direction as to powder and approximate loads? I sent in my
    DCM paperwork this paperwork this past week and have this bucket of
    30-06 brass that I acquired from my dad that is just dying to have
    bullets put in it. Is there a reference that covers reloading
    specifically for the M-1?

    .30-'06 -- Having a Garand Ole Time"

    By C.E. Harris - Rev. 4-9-94

    "SERVICE RIFLE" loads approximate the performance, and accuracy
    of military "ball" or "match" ammunition for target shooting over
    the National Match Course. It is important that the powder
    charge, bullet type, and ballistic parameters not vary
    significantly from arsenal ammunition, in order to ensure they
    function as intended in semi-automatic, quasi-military arms.

    The ballistics of Ball M2 service ammunition, (2740 +/- 30
    f.p.s.) with a 150-gr. spitzer, flatbased bullet are approximated
    in GI cases with a charge of 47.5 grs. of current Hodgdon or IMR
    4895, or 50 grs. of IMR-4064 or Olin's W-W748. Accurate Arms
    2015BR and 2495BR are also suitable using the charges recommended
    by them. In commercial brass these powder charges intended for
    GI cases may be increased 1 grain. These are fine match loads
    for offhand and 200 rapid in the M1 using the 150-gr. Sierra
    MatchKing or the new 155-gr. "Palma" bullets.

    Prior to the introduction of the 168-gr. Sierra MatchKing, the
    125-gr. spitzer was favored for 200-yd. offhand and sitting
    rapid-fire stages of the National Match Course. These are highly
    accurate, and ideal for the reduced scale courses for use by
    junior shooters, to reduce costs and minimize recoil. The
    charges for 150-gr. bullets, listed above, function the M1 rifle
    and are accurate. They also make dandy woodchuck loads.

    WITH 168-SIERRA OR PULLED GI MATCH BULLETS a charge of 46 grs. of
    4895; or 48 grs. of 4064 or 748 approximates .30-'06 M72 match
    ammunition (2640 +/- 30 f.p.s). With 168-gr. match bullets,
    these charges may be increased 1 grain, but if the 180-gr. Sierra
    MatchKing is used (a GREAT 600-yd. bullet for the M1) they should
    be REDUCED the same amount. I do not recommend slower powders or
    heavier bullets for the M1, because heavier charges of slower
    powders operate the mechanism with more force than service
    ammunition, and may damage the operating rod or other parts. You
    are free to use the "long-range" loads below in your Springfield
    or M1917, and they also work well for hunting loads in bolt-
    action rifles, using soft point bullets of the same weight.

    In semi-auto or slide-action .30-'06 hunting rifles the "service
    rifle" charges listed above should be used. These are somewhat
    less than maximum, and provide very satisfactory game loads with
    a hunting bullet of the same weight.

    The "Real .30-'06 powders" for full loads are 4895, 4064 and
    4350, the latter in boltguns only!

    IMR-4895 replaced IMR 4676 for military ball ammunition
    about 1944 and was the standard propellent for military .30-'06
    all and Match ammunition. It is adaptable to a variety of
    cartridges. If you want just one rifle powder to use for
    everything 4895 is "it". Some target shooters feel that "long
    grain" powders like 4064 and 4350 give better grouping than
    short cut" powders like 4895, which are preferred for machine
    loading. Even though coarser powders don't measure as well, they
    are highly accurate. If this is your choice, substitute 4064 for
    the 4895 and you won't be disappointed. For maximum loads in
    .30-'06 boltguns it's hard to beat 4350. I've tried other
    powders, but I keep coming back to 4350, because its consistent
    and always predicable, just like my .30-'06.

    That's why I like the .30-'06. It's like an experienced old
    horse that always knows its way back to camp, so you can just do
    the job and relax. What else do you want in a rifle?



    In Home Mix We Trust, Regards, Ed

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    Re: garand specific 30.06 ammo

    Quote Originally Posted by shortround View Post
    Never shoot commercial ammo in an M-1. It will wreck your operating rod. The pressure curves of modern propellants will certainly cause you grief.

    Stick with G.I. spec ammo any time you shoot the M1 Garand.

    30.06 M1 or M2 Ball loaded in government ammo plants, or reloaded to the same specifications should always be used.

    There is still a lot of surplus G.I. ammo in the market place that has corrosive primer compounds.

    If you shoot anything made before 1953, consider it corrosive, and clean accordingly.

    If you are an old fart, you will know which lots of G.I. ammo need a good cleaning with soap and water after shooting.

    For those of you born after 1950, you'll just have to look it up on Google.

    Be well.
    It's not just the pressure curves. It's that M2 was loaded light (because it was breaking Garands).

    Any Mosin shooter knows about corrosive ammo.
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    Re: garand specific 30.06 ammo

    According to Cartridges of the World (12th ed.), the M2 round was loaded with a 150 grain bullet with 50 gr. of 4895.

    I usually use 4064 for reloading for the Garand and have never had a problem with it.

    I gotta ask: Did you really think you were going to find an ammunition expert at Bass Pro?

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