Worry about forgetting you are carrying?
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I've walked through the metal detectors at a federal building while carrying, heard it go off, and instantly remembered that I forgot something in the car.
In a post office, YES!
Your LTC, or even Constitutional Carry, doesn't carry over to Post Office property!
US Post Offices are completely off limits per 39 C.F.R. § 232.1(l):
Weapons and explosives. Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, rule or regulation, no person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.
They do not need signs. You legally can't even be armed in the parking lot.
Nope never had that one. Of course I don't enter the post office armed. Ok I don't try to go to the post office, that is what the wife is for.
Note other Federal property is different, as it is covered under 18 U.S. Code §930 - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities...
(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
(e) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal court facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).
(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of weapons within any building housing such court or any of its proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.
(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
(e) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal court facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).
(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of weapons within any building housing such court or any of its proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.
(g)As used in this section:
(1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
(2) The term “dangerous weapon” means a weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 2½ inches in length.
(3) The term “Federal court facility” means the courtroom, judges’ chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of any court of the United States.
(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.
(Added Pub. L. 100–690, title VI, § 6215(a), Nov. 18, 1988, 102 Stat. 4361; amended Pub. L. 101–647, title XXII, § 2205(a), Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4857; Pub. L. 103–322, title VI, § 60014, Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 1973; Pub. L. 104–294, title VI, § 603(t), (u), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3506; Pub. L. 107–56, title VIII, § 811(b), Oct. 26, 2001, 115 Stat. 381; Pub. L. 110–177, title II, § 203, Jan. 7, 2008, 121 Stat. 2537.(
Note the highlighted section, 18 USC §930 applies to facilities, defined as "a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties" whereas 39 C.F.R. § 232.1(l) applies to "property," which is the entire location to include the parking lot!
(1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
(2) The term “dangerous weapon” means a weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 2½ inches in length.
(3) The term “Federal court facility” means the courtroom, judges’ chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of any court of the United States.
(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.
(Added Pub. L. 100–690, title VI, § 6215(a), Nov. 18, 1988, 102 Stat. 4361; amended Pub. L. 101–647, title XXII, § 2205(a), Nov. 29, 1990, 104 Stat. 4857; Pub. L. 103–322, title VI, § 60014, Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 1973; Pub. L. 104–294, title VI, § 603(t), (u), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3506; Pub. L. 107–56, title VIII, § 811(b), Oct. 26, 2001, 115 Stat. 381; Pub. L. 110–177, title II, § 203, Jan. 7, 2008, 121 Stat. 2537.(
Note the highlighted section, 18 USC §930 applies to facilities, defined as "a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties" whereas 39 C.F.R. § 232.1(l) applies to "property," which is the entire location to include the parking lot!
Mowingmaniac: I have had carry permits in Oregon and New Mexico over the past 15 or so years, but don't often carry. Seems I find myself in the PO once or twice a week. In a previous job as a range safety officer for Otero County, NM, I was required to carry as part of the job, but it was open carry. Nonetheless, I would sometimes forget I had it on as M&P Shields and Charter Bulldogs are so comfortable ...
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^ this.
I recently, unknowingly walked into the Williamson Co. parole office (wanting directions to the Wmson Co. Dog Pound). Saw the metal detection gate & exited stage left.I've walked through the metal detectors at a federal building while carrying, heard it go off, and instantly remembered that I forgot something in the car.
Axxe55
Retiretgtshit stirrer
IF YOU ARE GOING TO CARRY IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW WHERE YOU CAN AND CAN'T CARRY!
cycleguy2300
TGT Addict
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law.
I will use this and Texas CCP which does not distinguish between "on-duty" and "off-duty" with its command for Texas Peace officers to keep the peace, make arrests of violators etc.
If it's a good shoot, few will care. If it's a bad shoot, I'd be fubar anyway...
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Lonesome Dove
A man of vision but with no mission.
I only carry 5 ARs and 3 SBRs in a wagon now. Aint no signs for that shit.
No. But I did once have a dream where I was in a room full of alligators reaching for my sidearm, only to find an empty holster. Ain't gone without a sidearm since.
Yeah.
The "... lawful performance of official duties...' is key here.
If you're on duty, uniformed, armed, and enter a federal building on personal business, you're not covered. 99.999% of the time, the security guard or Federal Protective Service officer or Postal Inspector or whoever is providing on-site security will do you the professional courtesy of ignoring you. But you can't count on it.
Uniformed, obviously armed LEOs who walk into a federal building to drop off a passport application or get a tax form or something similarly personal are running a helluva risk. They're one FPS officer having a bad day away from leaving the building in cuffs and being taken to the same intake they're accustomed to bringing people to.
