Anyone have a CZ Scorpion?

[glenbo]

I had one, but someone else wanted it more than I did. Now I'm thinking about another, but I still have 5 new in the package 30-round magazines from the Scorpion 1 and don't know if they will work with the 3+ now available. I haven't been able to find a definitive answer anywhere, so just wondering if someone knows. CZ says the new 3+ magazines are backward compatible, but they pointedly do not say if the old ones are forward compatible.

 

[PinnedandRecessed]

I had one, but someone else wanted it more than I did. Now I'm thinking about another, but I still have 5 new in the package 30-round magazines from the Scorpion 1 and don't know if they will work with the 3+ now available. I haven't been able to find a definitive answer anywhere, so just wondering if someone knows. CZ says the new 3+ magazines are backward compatible, but they pointedly do not say if the old ones are forward compatible.

The new CZ Scorpion 3+ has a new lower that uses an AR style magazine catch. this means that the “old” magazine won't lock in place. But....I've heard you can fix the issue with a little Dremel work.

 

[studenygreg]

I have a Scorpion Micro that uses the old mags. They will not work in the new version without modification.

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[glenbo]

Thanks for the answers, that's what I expected. I'll take the old mags to the next gun show and see if I can sell them. I'm not mechanically inclined enough to try modifying them.

 

[houstongun807]

I wouldn't touch a Scorpion until they fix the OOB detonation issues.

 

[glenbo]

I wouldn't touch a Scorpion until they fix the OOB detonation issues.

Please fill me in, I know nothing about this.

 

[houstongun807]

Please fill me in, I know nothing about this.

It's caused by CZ's bad bolt design. Basically shooting anything past a round every second has a chance of causing an OOB, and from what I've heard even their newest models have this issue. If this happens, they will avoid liability and instead claim you used aftermarket parts or over-pressurized ammunition.

 

[PinnedandRecessed]

It's caused by CZ's bad bolt design. Basically shooting anything past a round every second has a chance of causing an OOB, and from what I've heard even their newest models have this issue. If this happens, they will avoid liability and instead claim you used aftermarket parts or over-pressurized ammunition. View attachment 414097

Hyperbole much? Specifics matter. A small number of Scorpion owners have had issues with excessive wear around the firing pin block on the bottom of the bolt. Material peened over and interfered with the firing block safety. If the problem is allowed to progress unchecked, it can create an issue when engaged in rapid fire because it is possible that the bolt will bounce back when the firing pin moves forward creating an OOB. It is a simple thing to check for and of little concern to people that routinely maintain their Scorpions....ask me how I know.

 

[houstongun807]

Hyperbole much? Specifics matter. A small number of Scorpion owners have had issues with excessive wear around the firing pin block on the bottom of the bolt. Material peened over and interfered with the firing block safety. If the problem is allowed to progress unchecked, it can create an issue when engaged in rapid fire because it is possible that the bolt will bounce back when the firing pin moves forward creating an OOB. It is a simple thing to check for and of little concern to people that routinely maintain their Scorpions....ask me how I know.

You're right, didn't mean to suggest it was happening to every other owner. But you'd expect better from a company like CZ and this shouldn't have to be something you need to watch out for after every range trip.

 

[PinnedandRecessed]

You're right, didn't mean to suggest it was happening to every other owner. But you'd expect better from a company like CZ and this shouldn't have to be something you need to watch out for after every range trip.

As with everything, YMMV. Also note that CZ was forced to redesign, per ATF, certain features on the Scorpion, including the bolt, before they were allowed to import it into the US.

 

[glenbo]

Thanks for the info. Since I will never be a high volume shooter, it doesn't seem to be something I'd likely have trouble with.

 

[Big Green]

After seeing this last night I looked around for a fix. There is an upgraded aftermarket part available.

Enhanced Striker Block

nexusfirearms.com

 

[glenbo]

I found the template to make the mod, but don't have a 3D printer.

Scorpion 3+ Magazine Modification Template - Yeti Wurks

CZ Scorpion 3+Magazine Modification Template

www.yetiwurks.com

 

[TexMex247]

I have an original first gen pistol but it's a safe queen. It was a little jammy in the first few mags but it's probably not even broken in yet. Always wanted to double stamp it but I've been dragging my feet. I'm admittedly clueless about the newest generation of them.

 

[suntory]

Wow didn’t know that could happen. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Destroyer357]

I have both the new one and old one - a little dremel trick does the work; but CZ factory mags aren't that expensive to begin with though

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I have both the new one and old one - a little dremel trick does the work; but CZ factory mags aren't that expensive to begin with though

Welcome to the Forum!

 

[Destroyer357]

Welcome to the Forum!

Thank you! I always lurk around THF for years - didn't realize there was this forum!

 

[glenbo]

The new CZ Scorpion 3+ has a new lower that uses an AR style magazine catch. this means that the “old” magazine won't lock in place. But....I've heard you can fix the issue with a little Dremel work.

Does that mean, in your opinion, that the new lower is better in any way than the older one?

 

[PinnedandRecessed]

Does that mean, in your opinion, that the new lower is better in any way than the older one?

New lower is more ergonomic because they got rid of the awkward slant original grip but you can change that out to whatever grip you want that will fit. Also has a new ambi bolt catch/release design. Overall, I'd say its an improvement over previous generations but your still going to want to add a Magpul flipper mag release and a different safety selector.