What kind of training do I want?

[rman]

Ok so here’s a dumb question but whatever. Not like it’s surprising

On Saturday I shot with a church group and we did 3-5y target warmups, then 3-15y target quals, then a course with running and 5-15y targets. Constant drawing from the holster, reloads, and the last course had malfunctions testing. It was facilitated by a couple ex-SWAT guys.

What type of training could I do that would be similar? Like real world gun fighting/defensive stuff.


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[Tnhawk]

The best gun gunfighting training is avoidance of a gunfight.

 

[rman]

The best gun gunfighting training is avoidance of a gunfight.

Thank you for that valuable insight. I will sell my gun now and also avoid car accidents and dying of old age.


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[Tnhawk]

Thank you for that valuable insight. I will sell my gun now and also avoid car accidents and dying of old age.


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Avoiding gunfights and auto accidents does increase the odds of dying of old age.

 

[Byrd666]

Contact https://www.ettsgunrange.com/taftt for more specific direction

I know what I'm thinking of, just can't see the right words/title for it.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Defensive shooting is the broad category; while it’s turned into a bit of a game, IDPA would be another place to look, especially at coaches in that discipline.

 

[Sasquatch]

Ok so here’s a dumb question but whatever. Not like it’s surprising

On Saturday I shot with a church group and we did 3-5y target warmups, then 3-15y target quals, then a course with running and 5-15y targets. Constant drawing from the holster, reloads, and the last course had malfunctions testing. It was facilitated by a couple ex-SWAT guys.

What type of training could I do that would be similar? Like real world gun fighting/defensive stuff.


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Is this for a church security group? Or just guys training together for funsies? If its an organized security group - contact Orion Training Group or Kinetic Concepts Group. Either should be able to hook you up with realistic training.

I had Brad and an assistant from Kinetic Concepts come and provide an active shooter response course for me in my role as security for a private Christian school. Its not cheap - the class was $800 since it was just for me (I'm it for the security for the school) - should be cheaper for a group ($400-500 per person)

 

[msharley]

Ok so here’s a dumb question but whatever. Not like it’s surprising

On Saturday I shot with a church group and we did 3-5y target warmups, then 3-15y target quals, then a course with running and 5-15y targets. Constant drawing from the holster, reloads, and the last course had malfunctions testing. It was facilitated by a couple ex-SWAT guys.

What type of training could I do that would be similar? Like real world gun fighting/defensive stuff.


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Lots of good video.

Miss Kelly Pidgeon is a good trainer..she shoots really good, too!

Believe her channel is ARMED & FEMININE

 

[rman]

Is this for a church security group? Or just guys training together for funsies? If its an organized security group - contact Orion Training Group or Kinetic Concepts Group. Either should be able to hook you up with realistic training.

I had Brad and an assistant from Kinetic Concepts come and provide an active shooter response course for me in my role as security for a private Christian school. Its not cheap - the class was $800 since it was just for me (I'm it for the security for the school) - should be cheaper for a group ($400-500 per person)

It is for a security group. We train once a month at Defender Outoodrs (indoor range), working on accuracy, drawing, low light, and small course.

I just loved being outdoors with some SWAT guys and the weather definitely helped as well lol.


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[rman]

Contact https://www.ettsgunrange.com/taftt for more specific direction

I know what I'm thinking of, just can't see the right words/title for it.

Good to know I’m not the only one who can’t put a name to it


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[Sasquatch]

It is for a security group. We train once a month at Defender Outoodrs (indoor range), working on accuracy, drawing, low light, and small course.

I just loved being outdoors with some SWAT guys and the weather definitely helped as well lol.


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For sure hit up Orion or Kinetic Concepts then. Both are Texas based. Another option would be Hill Country Combatives, another Texas based group.

I'm sure they can tailor something like what you're talking about - but they can also tailor up force on force training IN the facility, so you get more realistic training in the environment that you're most likely to use it in.

When Kinetic Concepts came out and did active shooter response, they came to our church / school (school is run out of a church) and we did 4.5 hours of scenarios and 3 hours of academic portion (slide show / lecture / discussion that covers statistics, profiles of likely active shooters, gear selection, medical, tactics etc.) Brad (the owner / chief instructor) is active duty LE, former SWAT, and stresses accuracy vs volume. He calls the scenario work "exploiting accuracy" and pushes you to actually use sighted fire for accurate hits vs shooting in a general direction. When people you know and care about are the back stop, that becomes really, really important.

I would drop an email to all of them, give them an idea of what y'all are looking for and see what they can do for you.

 

[Glenn B]

Ok so here’s a dumb question but whatever. Not like it’s surprising

On Saturday I shot with a church group and we did 3-5y target warmups, then 3-15y target quals, then a course with running and 5-15y targets. Constant drawing from the holster, reloads, and the last course had malfunctions testing. It was facilitated by a couple ex-SWAT guys.

What type of training could I do that would be similar? Like real world gun fighting/defensive stuff.


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I have heard of, been trained in, practiced and and taught malfunction drills but never heard of "malfunction testing" what is that?

Were any of the ex-SWAT guys actually certified firearms instructors? If not then you may want to get some trainining by someone actually qualified to train you. While you can train just about anyone not everyone has been trained to train.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Defensive shooting is the broad category; while it’s turned into a bit of a game, IDPA would be another place to look, especially at coaches in that discipline.

There are a TON of run and gun matches in Texas.

WesTexRun-n-Gun

westexrun-n-gun.com

Waco Tactical Fitness

Waco Tactical Fitness is a nonprofit 501(c)3 charity that is dedicated to supporting youth marksmanship activities.

www.wtfbiathlon.com

Store 1 — Mystery Operations

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Old Eighteen Defense | Competitive Shooting

Test your Gear. Test the Elements. Test Yourself. Our goal at Old Eighteen Defense is to enhance the competitive shooting sport of ‘Run n Gun’ by providing new technology, new venues, and new challenges to an already successful competition platform.

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They are less "gamey" than idpa and they will push your fitness and your shooting skill as OEDefense, WTF and Mystery Ops all do blind or mostly blind stages OE wont even tell you a good round count other than "about 50 hits" or "60 hits"

I HIGHLY recommend them.

Oedefense.com hosted a match in Palestine at Dead Cat Ranch this last weekend and their next match is in January, followed by a new "forced march" format in February.

I DNF'd about half the stages of my first match, ammo management (i.e. didn't bring enough ammo for my accuracy) was a part as was not shooting and moving urgently urgently to get hits within the stage time limit. Since then, I've finished near the top of the leaders a few times, so if you stick with it and humble yourself and learn, you will improve with massive strides. I only rarely shoot between matches except for a quick zero if I swap scopes or ammo.

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[Darkpriest667]

There are a TON of run and gun matches in Texas.

WesTexRun-n-Gun

westexrun-n-gun.com

Waco Tactical Fitness

Waco Tactical Fitness is a nonprofit 501(c)3 charity that is dedicated to supporting youth marksmanship activities.

www.wtfbiathlon.com

Store 1 — Mystery Operations

mysteryops.com

Old Eighteen Defense | Competitive Shooting

Test your Gear. Test the Elements. Test Yourself. Our goal at Old Eighteen Defense is to enhance the competitive shooting sport of ‘Run n Gun’ by providing new technology, new venues, and new challenges to an already successful competition platform.

Oedefense.com

They are less "gamey" than idpa and they will push your fitness and your shooting skill as OEDefense, WTF and Mystery Ops all do blind or mostly blind stages OE wont even tell you a good round count other than "about 50 hits" or "60 hits"

I HIGHLY recommend them.

Oedefense.com hosted a match in Palestine at Dead Cat Ranch this last weekend and their next match is in January, followed by a new "forced march" format in February.

I DNF'd about half the stages of my first match, ammo management (i.e. didn't bring enough ammo for my accuracy) was a part as was not shooting and moving urgently urgently to get hits within the stage time limit. Since then, I've finished near the top of the leaders a few times, so if you stick with it and humble yourself and learn, you will improve with massive strides. I only rarely shoot between matches except for a quick zero if I swap scopes or ammo.

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This is what Ive wanted to get into but damn I don't know that my fitness is good enough and I'm running 2 miles a day right now.

 

[TexaSOT]

A lot of good info in here already. ETTS range has a good course calendar as well, and they host some of their own training, and outside trainers and I believe Costa Ludas has a pistol class at their range sometime in Jan maybe? Sage Dynamics also has a pistol class within the next few months around the Houston area I think (I would check their website to be sure, don't quote me on these dates). But to summarize, yes good certified training from a professional trainer would be good, they will cover all the topics you're bringing up, however on occasion some low light training classes are dedicated to only low light...like 2-3 days of low light shooting, so keep that in mind.

Outside of that, it's just burning reps. No cheat codes to it. dry fire is your best friend, even for malfunction drills, clearing, etc. Practice the draw, sight picture, repeatable point of aim, working the trigger, riding the wall, etc.

If your security group has a leader, or someone who's in charge, I would highly recommend they also attend the https://www.shootersymposium.com/ it's 3 days, 10 different instructors and you can pick which instructor/class you want for each day. Great place to "preview" a lot of different training styles and techniques and see what might be the best fit for your team. It takes place first week of April, so it's a little ways out, but something worth thinking about.

The shooting sports side can also be very beneficial. It may not "teach" you as much in terms of shooting fundamentals, but the experience and comfort you gain with moving and shooting, manipulating the gun through different scenarios and obstacles is fantastic, and....it helps you burn more reps.

 

[cycleguy2300]

This is what Ive wanted to get into but damn I don't know that my fitness is good enough and I'm running 2 miles a day right now.

Run what you can, walk what you have to. Focus on the shooting and compare run times to others as motivation to train. Just remember slower runs are better for training and avoiding injury.

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[Darkpriest667]

Run what you can, walk what you have to. Focus on the shooting and compare run times to others as motivation to train. Just remember slower runs are better for training and avoiding injury.

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Im very tempted, unfortunately I'll be in Europe in April.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Im very tempted, unfortunately I'll be in Europe in April.

Between OE, and Mystery Ops, there are plenty of matches to choose from. You'll find one you can do

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