Abbot says he will sign OC bill.

[Renegade]

I'll bite - we probably will see more 30.06 signs

Last session bill created 30.07 to ban OC. Same size, etc.

 

[Renegade]

He runs the Texas concealed carry forum, and has never been supportive of open carry.

In my limited interaction with him, he struck me as being a little "fuddy". Not that he hasn't done a lot for concealed carry as I understand, just doesn't get very supportive outside of that area.

Same way I see it.

He is more of the problem than the solution. Several members here are banned from his forum for disagreeing with him. His grasp of TX gun law is not that great, despite being a lawyer. He is behind some of the poorly written laws I often point out.

 

[TAZ]

For the record, I am NOT Cotton. I might share his concerns about OCT-esque behavior having a net negative impact on gun rights. If you think that my concerns are fuddy or tin foil theory think back a few months to what happened to businesses that were neutral on guns till OCT showed up and gave the opposition an excuse to pressure them. Our actions matter. It's NEVER the hundreds of thousands doing thing well that get the attention, especially on a politicized topic like guns. It's ALWAYS the one dumbass who jumps up and down on his willy that will get all the press.

For the record I support open carry even though I'd probably rarely exercise that mode. I also feel that it's a double edged sword that can come back to bite us.

 

[itchin]

There wouldn't be guys carrying around rifles if OC was legal in the first place. I've lived in a OC state most of my life and can count on one hand the amount of OCers I've ever noticed..

 

[Vaquero]

For the record, I am NOT Cotton. I might share his concerns about OCT-esque behavior having a net negative impact on gun rights. If you think that my concerns are fuddy or tin foil theory think back a few months to what happened to businesses that were neutral on guns till OCT showed up and gave the opposition an excuse to pressure them. Our actions matter. It's NEVER the hundreds of thousands doing thing well that get the attention, especially on a politicized topic like guns. It's ALWAYS the one dumbass who jumps up and down on his willy that will get all the press.

For the record I support open carry even though I'd probably rarely exercise that mode. I also feel that it's a double edged sword that can come back to bite us.

Hundreds of thousands doing nothing don't deserve much attention.

 

[TX69]

If they choose to update CHL laws then the 30.06 signs will apply whether you conceal or open carry. You may see more 30.06 signs go up as people will be afraid of the childish nuckleheads acting all bad ass Wild West style.

I'm the end businesses are there to make money. That is all. If they feel like they are going to lose their regular soccer mom crowd they will post signs. Same goes the other direction. If they feel they will lose their regular customer who carry they won't post signs.

If I had to guess, it will take some time for the signs to go up as people are forced to make decisions about their business' financial health. As such if you chose to open carry don't be deuche nozzle while doing so. If we can make a positive impression and not reinforce the OCT stupidity we have a chance. Go all Wild West and be an idiot and you'll piss in everyone's corn flakes.

With the Governors nod I'll bet that we will see plenty of this in the news media.

 

[Hoji]

Okay. I hope I don't get bashed to hard for this but I have a question. I am very pro 2nd amendment and carry daily. However that being said Is open carry a good idea? We unfortunately have people who are terrified at this sight of a gun. Some of those are business owners. I cant help but think if open carry is legalized we would see a lot more 30.06 signs going up. Right now since we have concealed people dont really think about it because it is out of sight and they dont even know its there. I'm not against open carry in any way shape or form but do you think it will cause a lot more 30.06 signs?

It did in Mississippi.

 

[Recoil45]

I would certainly expect more 30.06 signs.

 

[breakingcontact]

Very interesting debate. Im curious to see the bills and how they are written. Campus carry first. Let it simmer awhile. Get a good PR campaign out there before and after.

 

[Younggun]

I imagine any OC bill will be virtually identical to the one that sat in the tray through the last session. Might even be that exact bill.

Don't see any reason to re write it since it was doing fine right up to the roadblock.

 

[seeker_two]

In my limited interaction with him, he struck me as being a little "fuddy".

A little?......the way he talks about passing open carry, campus carry, and a lot of things that TSRA should have pushed for a decade ago, I'm pretty sure his middle name is Elmer.....


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[txinvestigator]

Cotton has banned me twice from his forum for things others get away with. I am no fan. But he does know how the legislative system works.

 

[NeckBeard]

It has to be unrestricted OC, but knowing TX it will be loaded with red tape.

 

[Younggun]

What are you taking about?

Define "unrestricted" and explain why it "has to be", please.

 

[NeckBeard]

What are you taking about?

Define "unrestricted" and explain why it "has to be", please.

some states only allow OC with a CHL (like utah). Other states require some sort of registration. Where I am from, OC was OC, no string/restrictions attached aside from all the typical "you can't carry here" crap. Since the CHL program in TX is such a cash cow for them, I'd be hard pressed to think they won't try and put together a bill that could further feed the coffers with this.

Since i feel 30-06 signs are "whites only" signs in the world of gun owners (discrimination), i would expect to see a whole lot more of them going up in this state which would pretty much limit OC from just about everywhere. Where i am from, a no gun sign had no legal weight unless the gun owner being discriminated against refused to leave when asked to do so. OCers were rarely ever asked to leave, but then it's been common there since 1864. In TX, no one has seen anyone OC a handgun in 100+ years, so it's going to be problematic unless there is "anti-discrimination" language built into this bill.

 

[breakingcontact]

some states only allow OC with a CHL (like utah). Other states require some sort of registration. Where I am from, OC was OC, no string/restrictions attached aside from all the typical "you can't carry here" crap. Since the CHL program in TX is such a cash cow for them, I'd be hard pressed to think they won't try and put together a bill that could further feed the coffers with this.

Since i feel 30-06 signs are "whites only" signs in the world of gun owners (discrimination), i would expect to see a whole lot more of them going up in this state which would pretty much limit OC from just about everywhere. Where i am from, a no gun sign had no legal weight unless the gun owner being discriminated against refused to leave when asked to do so. OCers were rarely ever asked to leave, but then it's been common there since 1864. In TX, no one has seen anyone OC a handgun in 100+ years, so it's going to be problematic unless there is "anti-discrimination" language built into this bill.

Where are you from?

 

[Younggun]

some states only allow OC with a CHL (like utah). Other states require some sort of registration. Where I am from, OC was OC, no string/restrictions attached aside from all the typical "you can't carry here" crap. Since the CHL program in TX is such a cash cow for them, I'd be hard pressed to think they won't try and put together a bill that could further feed the coffers with this.

Since i feel 30-06 signs are "whites only" signs in the world of gun owners (discrimination), i would expect to see a whole lot more of them going up in this state which would pretty much limit OC from just about everywhere. Where i am from, a no gun sign had no legal weight unless the gun owner being discriminated against refused to leave when asked to do so. OCers were rarely ever asked to leave, but then it's been common there since 1864. In TX, no one has seen anyone OC a handgun in 100+ years, so it's going to be problematic unless there is "anti-discrimination" language built into this bill.

Ahh.

Well, not going down that rabbit hole. Just not worth my time.

 

[txinvestigator]

some states only allow OC with a CHL (like utah). Other states require some sort of registration. Where I am from, OC was OC, no string/restrictions attached aside from all the typical "you can't carry here" crap. Since the CHL program in TX is such a cash cow for them, I'd be hard pressed to think they won't try and put together a bill that could further feed the coffers with this.

Ummm, the CHL program does not turn a profit, much less is it a cash cow.

Since i feel 30-06 signs are "whites only" signs in the world of gun owners (discrimination), i would expect to see a whole lot more of them going up in this state which would pretty much limit OC from just about everywhere. Where i am from, a no gun sign had no legal weight unless the gun owner being discriminated against refused to leave when asked to do so. OCers were rarely ever asked to leave, but then it's been common there since 1864. In TX, no one has seen anyone OC a handgun in 100+ years, so it's going to be problematic unless there is "anti-discrimination" language built into this bill.

Your analogy to whites only would be somewhat accurate if 30.06 somehow prevented the holders of CHL's from entering posted places at all, even without your handgun. But since the sign only prevents you from carrying inside, the analogy is invalid.

I support open carry, but inaccurate information is not the way to get there.

 

[rushthezeppelin]

Ummm, the CHL program does not turn a profit, much less is it a cash cow.

I think he's more refering to all the CHL training businesses that are basically propped up by a law, not exactly the DPS itself who handles the CHL forms. Not claiming to read his mind, but that's what I saw in his post.

Your analogy to whites only would be somewhat accurate if 30.06 somehow prevented the holders of CHL's from entering posted places at all, even without your handgun. But since the sign only prevents you from carrying inside, the analogy is invalid.

I support open carry, but inaccurate information is not the way to get there.

I'm going to take a 3rd stance on this. Private property rights give businesses every right to deny someone entry for basically any reason IMO (despite all these BS anti-discrimination laws which actually hurt minority businesses much more during desegregation than anything). If you don't want someone of a certain skin color coming into your business or hell even flying pigs coming in, that should be your right to be an ass. The market will punish you for your decisions if they deem them to be inconsistent with the values of society.

 

[AustinN4]

Private property rights give businesses every right to deny someone entry for basically any reason IMO.

That just isn't true and I hope you know that.