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  • DCortez

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    I'd have to agree with this guy. If it's every going to happen, nows the time. Otherwise, 3rd parties will be vote wasters. Same with the GOP, give the party an enema now, or stay a McCain style party.


    For anyone who wants to try, the time is now. This year has been a good year for independent candidates. Given the public mood these days, 2010 could be an even better one — and there will be a lot more than three offices up for grabs next fall.


    [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/02/opinion/02douthatsub.html?_r=1[/URL]
     

    oldguy

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    I'm concerned over the corruption in our voting system without picture ID and standardized ballots we will be come third world like in elections, I have mixed feelings on third party candidates, not sure if it would help or hurt conservatives.
     

    DCortez

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    I have mixed feelings on third party candidates


    Same here. I'd like to see the government shrink, get out of the mommy business (on each and every front as I don't care about abortion, drugs, gambling, prostitution, giving people welfare, etc.), stop seizing my earnings, and so on and so forth.


    Problem seems to be, once people get power, they never give it up and will sell us all out to keep it.
     

    cuate

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    Well, as a last thought along those lines, "Keep you barrel clean, your powder dry,
    plenty of caps in your cap box, both eyes open, and both hands covering your hiney". Hope it don't come to that but it ran King George and his pretty little Red Coats the hell out of America......
     

    TrailDust

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    A 3rd party would be possible if the Libertarians got their s**t together. Specifically, they need to radically alter their foreign policy. I can honestly say I've talked with dozens of people who feel like I do: Libertarians' domestic policy is awesome, but their foreign policy is isolationistic and just plain stupid! In fact, their foreign policy is so lame it prevents me from joining their party, and that is the same belief the other people I talked to have had.

    My
     

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    I'm concerned over the corruption in our voting system without picture ID and standardized ballots we will be come third world like in elections, I have mixed feelings on third party candidates, not sure if it would help or hurt conservatives.

    In the short run, they may hurt us a bit. In the long run, though....

    Look at it like this: the Republican party has sold conservatives out and become a mirror of the Democratic party. They're doing the same things with only a few differences. But since they're pro-big government and anti-individual rights (overall), the little things like abortion and gun control don't matter (and the Republicans aren't exactly great on gun control). They're going to tax us into the poor house and take all the rest of our rights away, what do those two issues matter? So the way that third party candidates will help is that either the Republicans will have an "oh shit, our base is leaving us!" moment and get back to basics - small government, pro-individual, lower taxes - or the they'll wind up being replaced by a third party that roots itself in those values.

    Either way, for-real conservative GOP or GOP replaced by for-real conservative party, we win.

    It's kind of like how people get fed up with a company who sells something for deleting a feature from their product - they go find another company and the first one either sees what they did wrong and bring the old product features back (like Winchester with the pre-64 style M70) or they slide off into history while one of their competitors (often a new company started to take advantage of the gap in the market) steps up and offers a similar product with the features demanded by consumers.

    Get it?
     

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    Interesting thoughts and opinions guys.


    Republicans are a joke ( a unfunny one ) I will not vote for the lesser of two evils ever again.
    You either have the right ideology or you don't get my vote, EVER !
    I'm Libertarian/Conservative 100% :banghead: The time is now, don't waste your chance to make a differance.
     

    TrailDust

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    Republicans are a joke ( a unfunny one ) I will not vote for the lesser of two evils ever again.
    You either have the right ideology or you don't get my vote, EVER !

    Ditto. Problem is with Republicans shifting so far left, and with the Libertarians out in left field on foreign policy, conservatives are stuck between a rock and a hard place voting for quasi-Democrats with the former and non-viable candidates (due to weak voter appeal for 3rd party candidates) with the latter. Freakin' frustrating, and it sucks!
     

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    I can see the Libertarian point on foreign policy, though. The really good thing about their foreign policy view is what they think on foreign aid. Total budget: $0. :D
     

    DCortez

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    I can see the Libertarian point on foreign policy, though. The really good thing about their foreign policy view is what they think on foreign aid. Total budget: $0. :D


    They could do what ever other politician does ... lie.

    Once the country is back on track, no one will care.
     

    TrailDust

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    My major complaint is their foreign policy regarding engagement is way too much like Obama's, which is pretty much the Neville Chamberlain method of talk, do nothing, seek paper agreements, and assurances of "peace in our time." Sometimes you have to reach out and touch someone...big time!
     

    M. Sage

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    I agree. The Libertarian party is just a tad too isolationist for my taste. But the way things are, I think we could use a lot more isolation...
     

    TrailDust

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    I agree. The Libertarian party is just a tad too isolationist for my taste. But the way things are, I think we could use a lot more isolation...

    I'd say yes and no. Isolationist from a don't f*** with us and we won't f*** with you standpoint, but not isolationist economically. Tariffs and other idiotic trade measures have only ever hurt our country, and it's through strong trade that we help our economy.
     

    DCortez

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    Sometimes you have to reach out and touch someone...big time!


    Nothing says I Love You like a mushroom cloud. Tending to your own affairs is good, but having people afraid of you is better.

    If we could get things back to where the founding fathers had it, minus a few things like slavery, women not voting, etc., I'd vote these guys in for 20 years.
     

    Englishman

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    The 2 party system is something of American life I still struggle with. In a land where choice is everything, then only Left/Right, Blue/Red, Rep/Dem as your only choice strikes me as an outsider at least, kinda out of character. I would liken it to having the choice of only 2 cars…..but then again, that may yet happen

    IMHO, Libertarians have to address some fundamentals before wide scale acceptance as credible; Open Drugs, Open Boarders, Isolationism hardly with current moods…….and can a party with a policy to take away the free handouts that a large chunk of the population now expects as an entitlement ever get elected by the same?? I fear socialism has already sound foundations to only grow, not wither.

    Don’t mean to offend any here – Just my perception.
     
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