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  • Hawghauler

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    I would like to offer a Hawg view of one of the profound detrimental effects to America. Your friendly neighborhood school teacher who lives right in your town. Teacher's and the school board adiministrations are grossly over paid and under qualified. Teacher's and the school board adiministrations are focused on bleeding the tax payer dry and indoctrinating your children to become mindless left wing robot. You as a parent cannot compete with their thought control regiment and the government schools not the parents are downloading the government authorized set of values and morals into your kids during the critical formative years in a child's development. Separation of church and state is now irrelevant because the new government mandated religion is liberalism and the church is the government school. Your school teachers are the clergy. If you disagree with them, you the parent are the sinner. America as you knew it is gone and will not return without school choice and educational funding being in the parent's hand not the government. It probably took the government 2-4 generations to get the desired results. No guess as to how long a correction would take.
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    Willy

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    Just like any other profession, there are good ones and bad ones. The same can be said for schools and school districts. As far as values and curriculum, I'm pretty happy with my school district. My brother and his wife teach and they are underpaid. They get pressure from above to pass kids who don't do their work, while the kids parents defend their "faultless" little angels' work ethic and sometimes charge racism. I make almost twice what my brother makes and I wouldn't do his job for my current salary.

    What I don't like about my school district is that they are the biggest employer in town and have the clout and access to our kids to help push bond issues through. My taxes are high enough even though mine are better than most. I don't see how a town of less than 10k can afford a $92M bond package.
     

    TrailDust

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    Separation of church and state is now irrelevant because the new government mandated religion is liberalism and the church is the government school. Your school teachers are the clergy. If you disagree with them, you the parent are the sinner.

    You have no idea how spot-on that particular observation is, Hawg. I can tell you honestly that last year when An Inconvenient Truth was making the rounds of America's classrooms my sister was notified by mail that the movie was to be shown at her son's middle school. The note stated that the only absentees that would be allowed would be with a medical doctor's note. Any other form of absenteeism would be met with an "F" grade for that day's participation in class, and the offending student would also receive a suspension. This is no lie, no exaggeration. Talk about government indoctrination of children, certainly no better than North Korea, Iran, or historically Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union.

    My daughter never went to public schools, but if she had and I received that note I would have removed her from school the same day and called the principal and told him/her where to go. Utterly shocking that could happen in America, but the mindless drones continue on with their daily lives, blinded by the Golden Cages in which they live.
     

    Hawghauler

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    Just like any other profession, there are good ones and bad ones. The same can be said for schools and school districts. As far as values and curriculum, I'm pretty happy with my school district. My brother and his wife teach and they are underpaid. They get pressure from above to pass kids who don't do their work, while the kids parents defend their "faultless" little angels' work ethic and sometimes charge racism. I make almost twice what my brother makes and I wouldn't do his job for my current salary.

    What I don't like about my school district is that they are the biggest employer in town and have the clout and access to our kids to help push bond issues through. My taxes are high enough even though mine are better than most. I don't see how a town of less than 10k can afford a $92M bond package.
    Actually clock your brother's work day from start to finish at work and track it. At the end of the year divide his salary by his hours and see how much per hour the government pays him. He get's benefits fit for a king and a retirement package that I am sure is acceptable. It would be next to impossible to fire him for anything but the most heinous offenses. And has he publicly exposed poor practices in the educatioon system? We know schools do terrible things, where are the whistleblowers? BTW, a brand new teacher does not make the big bucks right out of the chute. Like most professions pay goes up with tenure.
     

    DCortez

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    I'd say the last 20 teachers I spoke to were idealists and not realists. The admin was a mix of bitter and semi-corporate.

    I don't know what kind of personality is attracted to teaching but I know I don't have it. I'm more like Mrs. Eubanks, my 7th grade math teacher. Here's the assignment, do your work, do not talk unless you have a question.

    At the time, I viewed her as a very bland, boring, and robotic. She was no fun at all. She did not push an agenda, talk politics, hollywood, or anything on a personal level. Now I realize she was a good teacher, she taught math.
     

    oldguy

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    The schools system is a pet peeve of mine and I've said this before if you can, remove your children from public schools they have become nothing more then jailers or babysitters,while we have many good teachers (I have family teaching) the system is corrupt with liberalism, teachers must be more concerned political correctness then teaching. Kids are not prepared for college and/or life in my opinion.

    If we change the name from public education system to public indoctrination system it would reflect the truth.
     

    cuate

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    United States Universities and those in most of Texas are armed with liberal professors. College is supposed to teach you to think, with a strong elbow from the leftists..Universities are in dire need of an overhaul but it ain't gonna happen !!
     

    TrailDust

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    Teacher's and the school board adiministrations are grossly over paid and under qualified.

    I agree with everything you said except a small sentence.

    I wouldn't say so, especially about being under-qualified. I can count on one hand the number of teachers I had from middle school onward who weren't uneducated/lacking knowledge (sometimes shockingly so) for their given area of "expertise."

    Reminds me of a time in 7th grade when I did a 20-page report on the SALT II treaty, and dipstick teacher gave me a "B" on it. In class she asked if anyone had questions about their grades or notes she wrote in our reports, and I asked her why she marked me down regarding American/Russian ABM systems. She said I was in error. I asked her how. She said my information was grossly wrong and inadequately researched. To quote her: "What you didn't take into account is that not only do we have antimissile systems, but we also have anti-antimissile systems, and anti-anti-antimissile systems, and so on. Most of our defense budget is spent on these huge numbers of antimissile systems."

    :confused: :banghead: :1zhelp:

    How could someone so unbelievably stupid become a teacher? I was a twelve-year-old and I was smarter and much more informed than she was. Sad thing was she was the rule, not the exception, of teachers I had growing up. To a very great extent, I consider myself self-educated.
     

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    Our Constitution is a tough nut to crack and our armies are near impossible to meet head on. Oh but our youth, there is an undefended soft spot. The funny thing is that the first thing they teach is that the teachers are good, wise, and kind, (and under paid) and your mommys and daddys are dumb and do bad things like spank you and tell you lies about people with aids. We can make you smarter than they are and make them let you do what you want to do. I can tell you personal horror stories all day long about the school systems after having 4 kids go through it. Google 4th or 5th grade Health class cirriculums and see what you get. Read closely and if that doesn't scare you then you really should pay attention to what they are actually saying in that class. They will not say it in front of you, and you may not find the print, but your kids can tell you.
     

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    Yet again every word true.

    I'll give you a quick example of the kind of misguided perversity that goes on with school curriculums. When sex education came around in school for my daughter (and my sisters kids too) they discussed in class and showed videos only pertaining to sex education for their own sex. In other words, boys were only educated about boys, and girls were only educated about girls. :banghead: WTF! Thank goodness I had already educated her myself years earlier lest the schools do it. Imagine how many parents out there rely on the teachers/schools to do it?
     

    Hawghauler

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    TD you were actually lucky. My daughter always told me everything that happened in school. In forth grade Vermont health class teacher was using the words "hard on" and "*****" because the kids already knew those words. The following year they instructed the kiddies that cellophane or Saran wrap was a safe bacteria barrier for analingus. I can't make this $hit up. Needless to say I was down at the school with a quickness, but I am sure it is still happening. The teacher had a project in 8th grade to demonstrate to the kids how little their parents knew about aids and aids prevention. She directed the kids to ask their parent's how to avoid aids and write down the answer. I knew it was a set up so I played along. I told my kid the best way to avoid aids was to avoid those with the highest propensity to have aids. I said, don't use IV drugs, and don't have sex with homo sexuals, IV drug users, or those ethnically predisposed to have a higher level of aids. I then told my kid that the teacher would scoff, point out my ignorance and then try to sell you on the condom idea. I said wait until the teacher says this and then make this stement. "my father said you would say exactly this and he has two questions for you:
    1 Would you knowingly have sex with an aids afflicted person and only have a condom for protection?
    (of course the answer is no.
    2 Then why would you tell this class it is safe?

    I guess when my kid finished my second question you could have heard a pin drop. She then said after copmposing herself. Your father has a great sense of humor.
     

    Texas42

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    My high school teachers weren't terrible. More good than bad, actually, but I never gained any great respect for their profession.

    Many of them weren't the brightest people, but heck half the people out there are below average. I think public schools tend to attract people who like to teach and people who like easy, secure jobs. I think the former is becoming less and less common. Our science teachers have "education" degrees as opposed to science degrees. Teachers don't make a ton of money, but they have a lot of time off, great benefits, and great job security.

    I would say that teachers have too much security in their jobs. Bad teaching should result in bad consequences. Sure parents are bad and there are bad kids, but that has always been the case. It is isn't an excuse for poor performance by teachers.

    We spend way too much on education, and the results are generally pathetic. Quite frankly, I'm torn as to whether or not it is constitutional or moral for the state to provide education. Maybe we have simply let education become one more of those things that we are "entitle to." Another failed government program that is set up to move money from "rich" districts to "poor" ones.

    I have a VERY low opinion of high school administrators. Partly from personal experience of going to the six story district administration building because one adminstrator lied. We pay them way too much for failure.

    Teaching actually, was one thing I considered, but I would not have considered HS. I'd want to teach some kind of college level. Partly because I like the intellectual stimulation and partly because I'd like to tell the kids to get the heck out of my class if they didn't want to be there.
     

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    dont be haten too much

    i was a high school science teacher.. and can return
    family, friends are teachers all over the state
    teachers don't get paid too much see:
    Texas Education Agency - 2009-2010 Minimum Salary Schedule
    plus 1-2k over if lucky
    admin. maybe over paid, depends on the school
    we had morning pray over the intercom in the morning untill one student started praying to Buddha. yea he was a Buddhast and on the student council. So no more morning prayers. if you let Christianity into school you have to let them ALL in.
    I don't want to hear the Muslim call to prayer in my school!
    And yea i am a Baptist, Republican gun owner.
    and have plenty of horror stories of my own.
     

    Hawghauler

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    I just checked the link. A school teacher in Texas makes a maximum of $220.00 per daywith 20 years experience? Or is that a minimum?That is $27.50 per hour if that site is correct and a school teacher with 20 years experience does not exceed 44k. [URL]http://www.aft.org/salary/[/URL] The average national salary for all teachers is $51000.00 which would be $31.87 dollars per hour. That is avarage salary including all years, not just the 20 year veterans. Not bad when you haven't even factored in the bennies. How many folks here beat that on average?
     

    Hawghauler

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    BTW, I salute all the good teachers who truly try to teach our children facts and truth, and do so with morals and ethics. But in my humble opinion they are a rare breed among a mass of derelects.
     
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