New to forum Hi! - Ammunition Question

[rotekk]

First of all I would like to say hi to everyone and introduce my self. My name is Josh and I'm from Houston. I just acquired a 12ga Short barreled Mossberg 500 and I was wondering if firing 2.75 1oz rifled slugs would tear the barrel up considering it's smooth bore I thought the rifling on the slug would slowly eat away at the inside.

I just don't really know the durability of the guts so I thought I'd ask. If this baby can handle slugs it'll handle everything.
Anyway hope I don't sound too noobish I've just never fired anything other thandsome generic 12ga double aught.

Thank you in advance,
Josh

 

[codygjohnson]

Rifled slugs are made for smooth bore barrels. They will be fine.

 

[MadMo44Mag]

Howdy!

 

[Big country]

The rifled slugs are designed to shoot out of smooth bores, that's why they have the riffling on the slug instead of in the barrel. Before you shoot "anything" out of the barrel make sure you are using the proper shell length (2 3/4", 3", or 3 1/2") as shooting a 3" out of a 2 3/4" only can be hazardous to your health.
Welcome to the forum!

 

[rotekk]

roger that it reads 2.75 in big numbers on the side so I'm sure that's what I'll put in it. Most 2.75 slug rounds are pushing 1700fps that's crazy. To be honest it was a range question because I will be using this as a home defense tool. It's actually way over the top considering all I really need is a 20ga with a youth stock and a 18inch barrel.

The price was right though. thank you for the quick responses I highly appreciate it.

 

[Texas42]

As I understand it, the rifled bores are made to fire sabot rounds. Don't use them in your barrel. I hear they are also expensive.

 

[Big country]

This might go a little deeper into the situation of sabots and riffled slugs in a smooth bore.
[url]http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot46.htm[/URL]

 

[rotekk]

last question. Does anyone know where I can pick up less than lethal ammo . I know theres lots of sites that may offer it but anyone know a site theyve ordered from and had no problems with? I was interested in rock salt rounds or bean bags. I hope these are offered to the public it's a must better alternative for HD

 

[okie556]

This might go a little deeper into the situation of sabots and riffled slugs in a smooth bore.
[URL="http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot46.htm"][url]http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot46.htm[/URL][/URL]

Thanks BC for the link. Very interesting!

 

[txinvestigator]

last question. Does anyone know where I can pick up less than lethal ammo . I know theres lots of sites that may offer it but anyone know a site theyve ordered from and had no problems with? I was interested in rock salt rounds or bean bags. I hope these are offered to the public it's a must better alternative for HD

Those are terrible alternatives for home defense. No one makes "rock salt rounds" available commercially, and bean bags have very specific uses.

And bean bags are not "less than lethal" they are less lethal, and can certainly cause death. However, they can just as easily fail to deter an attacker who you are justified in using deadly force against.

You would not be wise to use less lethal rounds against a person unless deadly force is justified. That said, if deadly force is justified use a round that is more effective. If you are going to use a shotgun for home defense then use buckshot. If you want to use bean bags gets a slingshot.

For the record, I am a DPS certified CHL instructor, a DPS certified classroom and firearms instructor for the Private Security Board, and a Texas Commission on Law Enforcement Officers Standards and Education certified instructor. I teach use of force.


As a secondary question, in your first post you said you had a "short barreled shotgun". What is the length of your barrel?

 

[navyguy]

last question. Does anyone know where I can pick up less than lethal ammo . I know theres lots of sites that may offer it but anyone know a site theyve ordered from and had no problems with? I was interested in rock salt rounds or bean bags. I hope these are offered to the public it's a must better alternative for HD

First welcome to the forum.

Can't help you with the less lethal ammo. But I think buck shot and BB shot is a good alternative if over penetration (walls etc) is an issue.

 

[Big country]

It sounds like you might want to spend some time on this site
[url]http://www.theboxotruth.com/[/URL]
Here is one dealing with rock salt loads in particular.
[url]http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot33.htm[/URL]
Rock salt is a crappy defense shot. If there is reason to shoot someone with rock salt there is reason to shoot someone with buck shot.

 

[Texas42]

Less than lethal?

Why?

All of that "less than lethal" crap can kill you, AND it isn't as good at stoping people from hurting you. (I've seen x-rays of a bean bag [which is very radio-opaque btw] that got stuck in a guy's arm => septic => death.) I don't believe the law sees it any different than lethal ammo.

I've heard of people using "flash bang" shells, but you need hearing protection to use those. . . .and being able to put on hearing protection inside seems silly to me.

If you are really worried about penetration, then use bird shot. I don't think it is the best idea. I think anything that will stop a bad guy will penetrate several walls (the laws of physics doesn't change for anyone), but birdshot is better than no shot. I'd suggest buckshot, but that is another discussion entirely.

Look up "Box of Truth." A lot of good and fun stuff there.

Bottom line, this stuff is a avalable, online. It is going to be really expensive. Like most exotic rounds, probably won't work as well as buckshot or slugs (if it worked then they wouldn't be exotic rounds). But you have to make your own decisions.

EDIT: LOL. I need to be faster. I took all this time to type it, and three or four people post.

PS-welcome to the forum.

 

[Big country]

Thanks BC for the link. Very interesting!

No problem, that guy did all the work. LOL

I would have to say that txinvestigator knows his stuff for sure. And like I just said if lethal force is justified then use lethal force or you might be the one that gets killed.

 

[rotekk]

18.5inches. Sorry I should have been more clear on that. As for what you said it's all perfectly sensible and correct I was reading up on it and there are quite a bit more cons than pros . ultimately it's not really a self defense tool as it is fear of physical endangerment and harm to ones family. Last resort means exactly that.

"if you are going to use a shotgun for home defense then use buckshot. If you want to use bean bags gets a slingshot." understood.

 

[Big country]

Well any way, glad to have you hear and I hope if you have any more questions you won't hesitate to ask. In short howdy!

 

[M. Sage]

Those are terrible alternatives for home defense. No one makes "rock salt rounds" available commercially, and bean bags have very specific uses.

And bean bags are not "less than lethal" they are less lethal, and can certainly cause death. However, they can just as easily fail to deter an attacker who you are justified in using deadly force against.

You would not be wise to use less lethal rounds against a person unless deadly force is justified. That said, if deadly force is justified use a round that is more effective. If you are going to use a shotgun for home defense then use buckshot. If you want to use bean bags gets a slingshot.

For the record, I am a DPS certified CHL instructor, a DPS certified classroom and firearms instructor for the Private Security Board, and a Texas Commission on Law Enforcement Officers Standards and Education certified instructor. I teach use of force.


As a secondary question, in your first post you said you had a "short barreled shotgun". What is the length of your barrel?

This guy knows his stuff.

Note: Buckshot means buckshot. Birdshot won't work well at all (not deep enough penetration). #4 buck is considered the minimum for defensive use. 00B is popular for a reason.

 

[robocop10mm]

Those are terrible alternatives for home defense. No one makes "rock salt rounds" available commercially, and bean bags have very specific uses.

And bean bags are not "less than lethal" they are less lethal, and can certainly cause death. However, they can just as easily fail to deter an attacker who you are justified in using deadly force against.

You would not be wise to use less lethal rounds against a person unless deadly force is justified. That said, if deadly force is justified use a round that is more effective. If you are going to use a shotgun for home defense then use buckshot. If you want to use bean bags gets a slingshot.

For the record, I am a DPS certified CHL instructor, a DPS certified classroom and firearms instructor for the Private Security Board, and a Texas Commission on Law Enforcement Officers Standards and Education certified instructor. I teach use of force.


As a secondary question, in your first post you said you had a "short barreled shotgun". What is the length of your barrel?

As a Firearms Instructor and former use of force coodinator for a fairly large agency, I agree wholeheartedly with TI on this one. Reduced Recoil or "Tactical" buckshot at least #4 in size (preferably 00 Buck) will pattern into a fist size at 20'. Just ask the guy in South Austin who received a load last night. You do have to aim a shotgun. In the engagement distances you will expect inside your home there will be NO errant pellets.

 

[RetArmySgt]

I use Brenneke Tactical Home Defense Slugs in mine. They have reduced recoil and and "controlled penetration" with less of a chance of exiting the body due to the massive expansion.