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    WCDUB

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    No, but we typically have more rounds to try for those CNS hits, and damage. Assume you have 100% accuracy - who would have more general damage - 11 rounds 9mm HP, or 7 rounds .45 HP. I read somewhere that in general, in a gunfight, the winner is usually the one with the most ammo. I'll try and find the link when I get a chance.

    EDIT: And woah! Holy Thread Resurrection Batman!

    "Given desirable and reliable penetration, the only way to increase bullet effectiveness is to increase the severity of the wound by increasing the size of hole made by the bullet. Any bullet which will not penetrate through vital organs from less than optimal angles is not acceptable. Of those that will penetrate, the edge is always with the bigger bullet."

    The above is from Paul's post.

    I understand that there are many variables that affect the situation, but I will take my glock 30 with 11-14 rds of 230 grain HSTs or Gold Dots over 11 rds of 9mm HPs any day. LOL! Just my choice.
     

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    You're talking about less than 1/10th of an inch difference, give or take, between projectile sizes. Unless you get a CNS hit, hit the heart, the aorta or vena cava, you're probably not making a definitive, stopping hit.

    I deal with way too many shooting victims to know how many survive wounds - even central wounds - thanks to the recovery mechanisms of the body and the ability of surgeons.

    I just can't get on the the 9mm bandwagon when compared with .45. I think
    that with a non-lethal hit,say shoulder,arm,leg,etc., .45 is going to do more
    damage than a 9mm. And let's face it,non-lethal hits are likely in a stressful
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    Sounds to me that you think all 45 shooters make CNS hits. These discussions crack me up. Most opinions come based on a perfect world. Guess what it isn't. To many variables. There are ways to cut down the variables but not eliminate all them. will a 45 make a bigger hole maybe not if a 9mm is moving faster, maybe not if you missed, maybe not if bullet selection is wrong, maybe not if you got shot first (with a 9MM lol ). In any case if this was a bait question I fell for it. Kinda reminds me of hunting whitetails with a 7mag

    I understand the variables. I don't believe you can make a 9mm move fast enough to make a bigger hole than a .45. I think a .45 impact on a target is going to be more distracting than a 9mm hit. Just my opinion.
    If anyone chooses to shoot a 9mm, it's no skin off my butt! LOL!
     
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    People act like somehow they are more accurate with a 9mm than a .45; ain't nothing farther from the truth!

    A 1987 FBI ballistic wounding report stated that all things being equal, the advantage will always be with the larger caliber round...



    That same report also stated that the most "lethal" round is the .22, as it accounts for more deaths than all other calibers combined. However, how many people use it for self-defense? Not many that I know!

    Me, I go with the bullet that makes the biggest hole, and I plan to use as many of them that I have at my disposal. 'Nuff said.

    I'm with you,bud,but I sense that we are in the minority!
     

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    I understand the variables. I don't believe you can make a 9mm move fast enough to make a bigger hole than a .45. I think a .45 impact on a target is going to be more distracting than a 9mm hit. Just my opinion.
    If anyone chooses to shoot a 9mm, it's no skin off my butt! LOL!

    No skin off mine either. I shoot a 40. It seems their is a lot is a of prejudice for some calibers. As stated all things being equal the bigger bullet makes the bigger hole
     

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    No skin off mine either. I shoot a 40. It seems their is a lot is a of prejudice for some calibers. As stated all things being equal the bigger bullet makes the bigger hole

    Usually, but it depends on speed at exit... if it exits. The wound channel on exit can often be worse (and with less-controlled bleeding).
     

    majormadmax

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    I'm with you,bud,but I sense that we are in the minority!

    Well, there's been talk about the vanishing American male. I blame that for those who don't realize the .45ACP is as American as John Wayne, apple pie and Jeeps!

    As the old axiom goes, "Never shoot a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet!"
     

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    Well, there's been talk about the vanishing American male. I blame that for those who don't realize the .45ACP is as American as John Wayne, apple pie and Jeeps!

    As the old axiom goes, "Never shoot a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet!"

    New fangled 45ACP is for hipsters! 9mm is old school.
     

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    Well, there's been talk about the vanishing American male. I blame that for those who don't realize the .45ACP is as American as John Wayne, apple pie and Jeeps!

    As the old axiom goes, "Never shoot a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet!"

    Vanishing American male ego. nope alive and well here. lol John Wayne carried 45 Colt:laughing:
     

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    People act like somehow they are more accurate with a 9mm than a .45; ain't nothing farther from the truth!

    A 1987 FBI ballistic wounding report stated that all things being equal, the advantage will always be with the larger caliber round...



    That same report also stated that the most "lethal" round is the .22, as it accounts for more deaths than all other calibers combined. However, how many people use it for self-defense? Not many that I know!

    Me, I go with the bullet that makes the biggest hole, and I plan to use as many of them that I have at my disposal. 'Nuff said.
    The .22 may kill more, but what that statistic doesn't tell you is the length it took for that's person to pass on. .22 isn't an instant stopper. You can live for hours, if not days with a few .22 bullets in you. Of course depending in where you're hit.
     

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    That place east of Waco....
    Well, there's been talk about the vanishing American male. I blame that for those who don't realize the .45ACP is as American as John Wayne, apple pie and Jeeps!

    As the old axiom goes, "Never shoot a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet!"
    The problem is finding large-caliber men in our nation. Probably why 9mm & .380ACP are so popular now....

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    This one is done. The reason why? The thread started off excellent, well thought out, and lots of great info from the late Paul Gomez. The thread has now devolved into ego posting and/or ridiculous anecdotes about calibers. Please don't dilute the quality of informative threads with stuff like that guys.
     
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