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how fast is your ccw draw and hit?

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    On an electronic timer, now, average of 5 tries, each time to get a hit on the chest at say, 10 ft. from under a shirt, not some bs about an open jacket that you often can't have.. I and a very few others, can average sub 1.0 second. Most people are 2.0 seconds plus. Since a good man can get 6 more hits in the 1 second difference, or dot both of an attacker's eyes with a .22 in 1 second, it seems a bit silly to worry about any "group" type accuracy, or power level in the ammo, when you dont even care about being the first to get a hit. If you get your gun out and "on" him fast enough, he'll often flee, saving you a year of court, $50,000-1/2 mill$ in lost work, having to move, provide protection for your family, legal fees, bondsman's fees, etc. This is on top of the advantages if you actually have to fire and the speed of draw increase is basically free, attainable with dryfire, or with Airsoft.
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    Is there a reason the thread is posted in this forum? Am I missing something?


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    yeah, ban anyone who has any new ideas, makes for a really lively forum.
     

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    From being a quick draw to going super nova in 15 posts......

    Not bad..........lol....
     

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    This is probably more relevant in another portion of the forum as this appears to be the Radio Show side.

    I would be highly impressed if you could draw from concealed in under 1 second. I'd need video to see it.

    Me personally? On a good day when I am practicing regularly I can can do a Bill drill without cover in 1.5 or under, but I need the stars to align.

    I would expect any B / Master level shooter to do a Bill Drill without cover in under 1.5 seconds as a matter of course.
    But then again thats the trick - without cover. Add a second for a shoot me first vest.

    There is a excellent trick to cover for that additional second-throw an angry wiener dog at them. The you can go have a nice coke while the wiener dog bites their face off.

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    Confused about the point? Are you saying that in "real" life getting adequate (A-zone, 12" plate) hits fast is better than getting great groups slow and that people would be better off working if presentation skills rather than marksmanship?

    I would say I agree to a point, but both speed and accuracy need to be practiced. If you only train to hit a 12" plate at 10' on a square range, you will most likely miss under real stress. A timer isn't real stress. It's simulated stress. My experiences (and a lot of folks I shoot with feel the same) are that when you introduce a timer the stress goes up and people start missing or accuracy diminishes. You then train and master the timer stress. You go to a match and it's rinse and repeat. Different type of stress (people watching, knowing you're behind or someone is catching up to you...) means a different reaction out of you. Add the stress of fear, pain, from a real life event and you're back to accuracy dwindling. We need to practice being surgical at speed so that we are adequate while crapping our pants in real life.
     

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    It would be nice to have a place where one could practice drawing from concealed and hitting a target. Not with toy guns but withbyour own carry gun. Can't practice that. I used to wallet carry in the right rear pocket. Twice a year I'd go to an outdoor range. After setting up my ammo and such I would calmly draw my concealed and empty it into whatever target was left by the guy before me. Following their rules and only double tapping with pauses. Then put it away and shoot the weapons I'd brought to shoot. It was a test. If everything went as expected then that night I'd clean and load fresh ammo. If not I'd find out what went wrong. Not at the range, since I never declared or paid the $10 to shoot the concealed carry. (yes it was CC) Technically I was wrong to do this, but supposedly them being gun people I thought they would understand. They didn't and I have not been back in many years.
     

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    options:
    *Ranges with shooting bays typically don't care.
    *Not strictly practice but shooting competitions are a great way to experience conditions and do things you may not be able to do normally.
    *Dry firing. You can practice the draw and fire, and at the range practice the extension and fire portion of it. Dry firing is the real deal, but its boring so people don't do it.
     
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