Email to LTC Instructors

[Jon Payne]

Guess someone is playing dirty pool. This was sent out this morning from AM Texas Gun Sense.

>>Dear Texas LTC Instructor,

You may know that HB 1911, which eliminates the requirement for people to obtain a license to carry, was voted out of committee and sits in House Calendars. There is a risk that it will go to the House floor if people don't speak up. I'm sure most of you agree that unlicensed carry is not safe for gun owners or the general public. As trainers, you know how important it is that people understand the law, and how to use a gun before carrying in public. Will you speak up to try and keep the LTC program in Texas? You can call these reps. below, and if you'd prefer to send an email, it is first name.lastname@house.texas.gov. Your voice will make a difference!>>

Needless to say I didn't respond.

 

[V-Tach]

I didn't get that email...but I'm not surprised that some put money over Rights but decry it's really about safety..........

I was talking to a customer last night who does car inspections and his main complaint about the Bill really came down to the financial impact it will have on his business.

I told him CC would hit my pocket book too, but it wouldn't keep me from supporting it. I also support getting rid of the inspection for our vehicles. If I lost a customer, oh well........

 

[heavygunner8]

Alright, I'm probably gonna get chewed out for this, but how is that email not accurate? I mean, do you really want random people to start carrying guns without at least having a basic knowledge of the laws regarding firearms and self defense? Or have a passable ability to shoot accurately?

 

[V-Tach]

In what State(s) is any of that happening that has had CC for years?

No chewing out...let's discuss it....

 

[Shotgun Jeremy]

Awww chit, you dun gone and started it. While we're at it, my Sig is better than all your glocks and 1911s!

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[heavygunner8]

In what State(s) is any of that happening that has had CC for years?

No chewing out...let's discuss it....

The chances of anybody pulling a gun to defend themselves or nearby innocents is already extremely low. I'm talking purely from a common sense point of view. We could tell the general public the rule of thumb "no using firearm unless your life or another innocent's life is in imminent danger", but then you still have to at least make sure people carrying that weapon can shoot it semi-accurately right? Even with good intentions, a person carrying and using their CCW can hurt bystanders if he/she has no idea how to shoot the gun.

 

[fishingsetx]

The chances of anybody pulling a gun to defend themselves or nearby innocents is already extremely low. I'm talking purely from a common sense point of view. We could tell the general public the rule of thumb "no using firearm unless your life or another innocent's life is in imminent danger", but then you still have to at least make sure people carrying that weapon can shoot it semi-accurately right? Even with good intentions, a person carrying and using their CCW can hurt bystanders if he/she has no idea how to shoot the gun.

Half my CHL class had never held a gun in their lives, much less, shot one. All passed with flying colors with rented guns. The shooting test really doesn't prove a thing. I'll reiterate what someone else said, do you see, hear, or read about any problems from all the other states that have constitutional carry? I know I havent.

Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain

 

[V-Tach]

So......no one should be allowed to buy or own a gun without training?

 

[fishingsetx]

Awww chit, you dun gone and started it. While we're at it, my Sig is better than all your glocks and 1911s!

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My Beretta is better than your sig!

And 9mm is an inadequate caliber for self defence!

Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain

 

[heavygunner8]

So......no one should be allowed to buy or own a gun without training?

No one that has a violent criminal record or have a mental illness should be allowed to buy or own a gun... which is already the current law. If that's how easy it was to pass your LTC license shooting test, maybe the requirements for that should be increased. I certainly think every person that's going to carry a gun around in public should have a basic knowledge of laws regarding self defense and at least demonstrate they can shoot accurately to a certain degree.

 

[V-Tach]

Awww chit, you dun gone and started it. While we're at it, my Sig is better than all your glocks and 1911s!

Sent from my VS987 using Tapatalk

My Beretta is better than your sig!

And 9mm is an inadequate caliber for self defence!

Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain

Don't make me post pics of my Clerk First, Bryco's, Jennings, RG's and Jimenez's...and if If force me, I'll post pics my Hi-Points.....

 

[fishingsetx]

Don't make me post pics of my Clerk First, Bryco's, Jennings, RG's and Jimenez's...and if If force me, I'll post pics my Hi-Points.....

As long as they aren't chambered in 9mm!

Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain

 

[V-Tach]

Most self defense situations are 3 yards or less.......even LEO's have missed at that distance....

I get where you are coming from, I too was hesitant to support CC at first..

I had to put my personal bias aside and look at it from a different perspective to realize that my opinions are just mine and should not interfere with another's Constitutional Rights.....

 

[fishingsetx]

No one that has a violent criminal record or have a mental illness should be allowed to buy or own a gun... which is already the current law. If that's how easy it was to pass your LTC license shooting test, maybe the requirements for that should be increased. I certainly think every person that's going to carry a gun around in public should have a basic knowledge of laws regarding self defense and at least demonstrate they can shoot accurately to a certain degree.

What constitutes mental illness? How would you define it and who has a say on whether or not you qualify?

As for the rest, when it becomes a problem in the 13 states that already have CC, I'll worry about it. As of right now, I'll take proven history over what ifs and conjecture.

No one that has a violent criminal record or have a mental illness should be allowed to buy or own a gun... which is already the current law. If that's how easy it was to pass your LTC license shooting test, maybe the requirements for that should be increased. I certainly think every person that's going to carry a gun around in public should have a basic knowledge of laws regarding self defense and at least demonstrate they can shoot accurately to a certain degree.

Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain

 

[heavygunner8]

Most self defense situations are 3 yards or less.......even LEO's have missed at that distance....

I get where you are coming from, I too was hesitant to support CC at first..

I had to put my personal bias aside and look at it from different perspective to realize that my opinions are just mine and should not interfere with another's Constitutional Rights.....

My interpretation of the 2nd amendment is right to own guns, allowing any random, possibly unqualified person to carry one in public where my family and I might be isn't part of that. My opinions certainly are mine, and in this case, somebody else's different interpretation can put my and those around me's lives at risk. If it doesn't affect me, I don't give a rat's ass about it, but in case it certainly does.

 

[V-Tach]

What does........

"Shall not be infringed" mean to you?

Criminals and other people are already carrying guns in close proximity to you....you just don't know it.....

 

[heavygunner8]

What constitutes mental illness?

How about having an IQ lower than 75? How about mental retardation? How about severe bipolar disorder or depression, which runs a high risk of suicide or even murder-suicide?

Again, the chances of anyone having to pull a firearm to defend themselves is already very low, that's probably why it's not on the radar. We don't need random people who doesn't even know basic firearm safety or laws to carry a deadly weapon around. If even one person can be saved, it's worth it to require a LTC to carry.

What does........

"Shall not be infringed" mean to you?

Criminals and other people are already carrying guns in close proximity to you....you just don't know it.....

Thats irrelevant and doesn't disprove my point one bit.

 

[heavygunner8]

I suppose this is the wrong place to talk sense into some of y'all. Regardless, I know which side I'm standing on regarding this bill.

 

[fishingsetx]

My interpretation of the 2nd amendment is right to own guns, allowing any random, possibly unqualified person to carry one in public where my family and I might be isn't part of that. My opinions certainly are mine, and in this case, somebody else's different interpretation can put my and those around me's lives at risk. If it doesn't affect me, I don't give a rat's ass about it, but in case it certainly does.

Same argument we heard about concealed carry and then open carry, problem is, it doesn't hold water if you look at facts vs feelings and fear.

Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain

 

[V-Tach]

I suppose this is the wrong place to talk sense into some of y'all. Regardless, I know which side I'm standing on regarding this bill.

Yes, this is the place to discuss our differences in a polite and unemotional manner.