Private Handgun Purchase Bill Of Sale

[Clint1994]

Hello!

Have a question in regards to selling a handgun face to face.
Done some research with threads below.

https://www.texasguntalk.com/thread...face-to-face-transfer-and-other-options.7685/
https://www.texasguntalk.com/threads/bill-of-sale.47447/

My question is if everyone actually does require a Bill of Sale for a private face to face handgun purchase. I only mention as every texasguntrader or armslist post has it.

I have my CHL & never had any charges/arrests other than speeding tickets.
Just makes me uncomfortable that a stranger will have my personal information down to name, address, DL number. Could probably even have identity theft with all that.
They would obviously know where to get more guns as well.

Upon reading through previous thread responses it seems that the Only Law in Texas is
Texas Penal Code 46.06
-Don't knowingly sell to a felon
-Don't knowingly sell to someone under 18
-Don't knowingly sell to someone that is going to commit a crime with the gun (knowingly)
-Don't knowingly sell to someone that's intoxicated

Any Thoughts?

Thanks

 

[SQLGeek]

Any Thoughts?

Thanks

Yes, just say no. I don't do it when I sell a gun and I won't fill one out.

 

[Davetex]

There is no reason to use a BOS.

 

[diesel1959]

The temperment runs about 10:1 AGAINST filling out or using a bill of sale, in my experience. I don't and won't use one for personal face-to-face transaction. Period.

 

[Renegade]

Would you give your personal to a complete stranger running a cash register at a fast food shop? No? Why would you then just because you bought a gun instead instead of a burger? In today's world, you would have to be a complete idiot to give your personal information to a complete stranger.

There are many better options than giving up personal info.

 

[Moonpie]

Many sellers want to CYA hence the B.o.S.
I refuse to give personal info to a stranger so if they insist then the deal doesn't happen.
Had it happen a couple of times.

 

[robertc1024]

Many sellers want to CYA hence the B.o.S.
I refuse to give personal info to a stranger so if they insist then the deal doesn't happen.
Had it happen a couple of times.

I've had it happen once.

 

[Younggun]

If someone is really that insistent on a BoS they can instead meet at an FFL and pay the transfer fee, regardless of if I am buying or selling.

I won't play the BoS game.

 

[Dawico]

I don't require them or go after a deal that requires them.

They are worthless.

 

[easy rider]

No need for it here in Texas, if someone is that paranoid about selling they should go through an FFL in the first place.

 

[Lunyfringe]

If someone is really that insistent on a BoS they can instead meet at an FFL and pay the transfer fee, regardless of if I am buying or selling.

I won't play the BoS game.

This ^^^^
I'd rather just buy it off Gunbroker and have FFL do the xfer, than give PII to a stranger... they can pay the FFL fee for a F2F if they insist

This was required when I lived in CO... but there are those that posted "CIP, CIP" (comply in public, conduct in private) call it civil disobedience.

I haven't done a F2F deal here yet, whenever I find something worth while, it's too far away. And I haven't considered selling anything in my collection.

 

[motorcarman]

The ONLY time I ask for info is when I 'dispose' of a firearm that I purchased with my FFL03 and need to log it OUT of my BOUND-BOOK. It is required that the info be logged.
If I purchased one FTF or 4473 then it is just cash&carry when I sell it.

bob

 

[Shady]

I BOS has no value in proving you sold a gun, well I guess it could if you had a notary stamp it.

It may lead to you being charged as a gun dealer without a license.

 

[majormadmax]

It may lead to you being charged as a gun dealer without a license.

Where do you get that from?

 

[Renegade]

Where do you get that from?

Too many BOS is proof you are dealing. aka John Shipley.

 

[outdare]

Too many BOS is proof you are dealing. aka John Shipley.

This John Shipley. https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/elpaso/press-releases/2010/ep082410.htm

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[Shady]

Like the other said also don't forget the Obama Executive order on the matter.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/obama-...ven-a-single-firearm-become-licensed-dealers/


http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/01/robert-farago/question-of-the-day-are-you-a-gun-dealer/

Where do you get that from?

 

[ZX9RCAM]

From the second link.

"However, court rulings have set a precedent that says a person could sell as few as one or two guns and still be considered a dealer, depending on the circumstances. For instance, Lynch explained, if an individual sells a gun clearly for profit, ..."

Wouldn't that make anyone that for example sold a rare or old piece, that went up in value while in their possession, a dealer?

 

[Wedge1]

I have never gotten or been ask for a bill of sale in a private transfer. The ONLY time I would ever refuse is if the person made any type of reference to them being « ineligible to purchase » otherwise. Cause that’s a federal felony offense on my part. Otherwise never.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I have never gotten or been ask for a bill of sale in a private transfer. The ONLY time I would ever refuse is if the person made any type of reference to them being « ineligible to purchase » otherwise. Cause that’s a federal felony offense on my part. Otherwise never.

Didn't you state in a different thread that if circumstances were right you would sell FA weapons to anybody?
Or did I read it wrong?