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    The national gun control group on Wednesday came out with a list of items they contend skirt federal firearms laws and threaten public safety.

    Describing the items as “the next bump stock” the group argues in a report that each device, ranging from AR-style pistols to suppressed muzzleloaders, is in need of additional regulation and oversight under the National Firearms Act.

    “Before bump stocks were used to kill 58 people and maim hundreds of others enjoying an outdoor concert, most Americans had never heard of the device,” said David Chipman, a former ATF agent now working for Giffords. “Now there is a growing cry from communities across the nation to make sure bump stocks can’t fall into the hands of another dangerous person. But it’s not the only device gun manufacturers are pushing that can give someone the firepower of a machine gun.”

    The report, entitled “Lethal and Legal” holds that aftermarket binary triggers and trigger cranks should be controlled as machine guns, saying “The gun industry has exploited the NFA’s reference to a ‘single function of the trigger'” to market the devices.

    Next, the Giffords say shotguns capable of holding 12 or more rounds, like the UTAS12, are “anti-personnel firearms” and should meet the guideline used for destructive devices such as the Street Sweeper which was placed under NFA regulation in 1994.

    The group, fronted by former U.S. Rep. Gabby Giffords, argues that AK and AR-style pistols use a design that “is a clear attempt to circumvent the NFA’s attempts to closely regulate short-barreled rifles” as are pistol arm braces and blade stabilizers.

    “Again, this attachment allows shooters to possess a weapon with the concealability and accuracy of a short-barreled rifle while skirting the regulations of the NFA,” says the report before moving on to incendiary, armor-piercing and .50-caliber ammunition and the rifles that accept it.

    Saying the rounds are designed to “destroy or disable light armored vehicles, radar dishes, stationary and taxiing airplanes, and other high-value military targets,” the report paints a picture of their potential use by terrorists.

    Finally, the paper casts shade at black powder guns in general– which are not regulated as firearms by the ATF– and the SilencerCo Maxim 50 moderated muzzleloader in particular.

    “This weapon is designed with a built-in device to suppress its sound. If any other firearm were built with such a device, it would be subject to the NFA as a silencer,” says the group
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    Hb 38 now has all the Cornyn/Feinstein stuff in it. Didn't amend it, just rewrote it. Got a response from Cornyn, he's al for it. No response from Cruz so I assume he is also. Kinda like hate crimes and diversity, define whatever 'they' want as a crime. Neither will get my vote next time. Use bacon and you are unstable of mind.
     

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    "Description: H.Amdt. 493 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)All Information (Except Text)
    As of 12/14/2017 the description for this amendment has not been received.
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    Amendment in the nature of a substitute."

    Amendment to HB38 NO text available yet (? need to drain the clerk swamp also?) - basically no longer a reciprocity bill.
     

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    Abort! Abort!



    I guess. She talks down to the audience a bit. I feel a little dumb watching her videos.
     

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    I don’t watch her videos - I’m not familiar with her. I disagree with a fundamental premise of her narrative in the above link. She claims everyone who would be acting under the ‘National Reciprocity Act’ thinks or believes this would give them a way around an individual’s state gun/carry laws. I actually don’t know a single individual who thinks or believes that.

    She used the example of a thirteen round magazine being carried across a state line of a ten round magazine state. Every carrier I know and have spoken too, understands a carrier wound still have to meet the laws of the state they’ve crossed into (just like they have to, now). So I personally think she’s throwing out a ‘red herring’ with her concern about certain states passing a whole bunch of new laws. Reminds me of all the legislators who predicted gun fights in the streets and blood running in the gutters when OC was passed in Texas!
     

    NavyVet1959

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    I don’t watch her videos - I’m not familiar with her. I disagree with a fundamental premise of her narrative in the above link. She claims everyone who would be acting under the ‘National Reciprocity Act’ thinks or believes this would give them a way around an individual’s state gun/carry laws. I actually don’t know a single individual who thinks or believes that.

    I would have to take whatever she says with a gain of salt... In other words, no different than when any other woman says something... :)

    She used the example of a thirteen round magazine being carried across a state line of a ten round magazine state. Every carrier I know and have spoken too, understands a carrier wound still have to meet the laws of the state they’ve crossed into (just like they have to, now).

    Yeah, if the Congress had wanted to do that, they would have just created a law that told the states to honor the 2nd Amendment. Oh, wait a minute... They're supposed to be doing that already, aren't they? Well, I'm sure if we created yet another law telling them to do it, they would start doing it, right? :(

    So I personally think she’s throwing out a ‘red herring’ with her concern about certain states passing a whole bunch of new laws. Reminds me of all the legislators who predicted gun fights in the streets and blood running in the gutters when OC was passed in Texas!

    Only about 4% of Texans have a CHL and probably a good portion of them don't routinely carry. I suspect of that 4%, only a small percentage would be inclined to OC. It's nice to have the choice though -- especially on those 100F and 100% humidity days during the summer.
     

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    Only about 4% of Texans have a CHL...

    https://suburbanstats.org/population/how-many-people-live-in-texas

    About 25.1million Texans, but only 20.6m are eligible for LTC by age. No idea how many who are eligible by age are ineligible by law, but it could be a bunch! Maybe 1 in 10? That could leave as few as 18.5m eligible for LTC. With LTC already over 1m in 2016, I think I saw somewhere that LTC was now near 1.3m (though naturally, I can't find that number anywhere, now). Texans eligible to LTC and licensed might be as high as 7%...

    But who's counting... or quibbling? ;)
     

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    https://suburbanstats.org/population/how-many-people-live-in-texas

    About 25.1million Texans, but only 20.6m are eligible for LTC by age. No idea how many who are eligible by age are ineligible by law, but it could be a bunch! Maybe 1 in 10? That could leave as few as 18.5m eligible for LTC. With LTC already over 1m in 2016, I think I saw somewhere that LTC was now near 1.3m (though naturally, I can't find that number anywhere, now). Texans eligible to LTC and licensed might be as high as 7%...

    But who's counting... or quibbling? ;)

    https://www.dps.texas.gov/rsd/LTC/reports/demographics.htm

    Calendar Year -- Licenses Issued
    2016 -- 369,117
    2015 -- 217,588
    2014 -- 246,326
    2013 -- 242,641
    2012 -- 146,346

    I don't think that it should be based on who is eligible for LTC, but rather against mostly the base population since you don't necessarily know whether a person is eligible when you see them going about their business shopping at a store or whatever.

    The DPS statistics just state "licenses issued" and does not specify whether it is a renewal or a new license. This would affect the statistics somewhat since new licenses are good for 4 years and renewals are good for 5 years (last I heard). I don't remember when that changed, so you might have to take that into account for a truly accurate percentage.

    2012-2016 -- Population -- Percentage
    1,222,018 -- 25.1M -- 4.8686%
    1,222,018 -- 20.6M -- 5.9321%

    2013-2016 -- Population -- Percentage
    1,075,672 -- 25.1M -- 4.2853%
    1,075,672 -- 20.6M -- 5.2217%

    And I did not take into account licenses that have been revoke or licenses that are still valid, but the license holder has died from old age or whatever.

    Now, with respect to OC, I was recently in Las Vegas and I saw more people OCing in a couple of days than I have seen in Texas over the last year. That might be because they do not require a license for OC plus they have regulations where it is legal to OC in some places, but you cannot CC in that same place.
     

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    Reminds me of all the legislators who predicted gun fights in the streets and blood running in the gutters when OC was passed in Texas!
    This was especially funny when you've lived in a state with UNLICENSED open carry, the way God and the founding fathers intended.

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    Wait, you mean they are trying to say that they're scared that people who pass a background check, take required training,and a profiency test are suddenly going to start killing people because they are now allowed to put their gun OUTSIDE their clothes?

    Whomever was acting worried about that publicly needs to officially have their party changed from (D) to (DS) party.
     
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    I don't think that it should be based on who is eligible for LTC, but rather against mostly the base population....

    I don't find percentages very useful where there is no possibility of reaching 100%... When I see a toddler (included in population demographics), I'm pretty sure he isn't LTC; likewise, I'm hoping the guy in the orange jumpsuit isn't.


    Now, with respect to OC, I was recently in Las Vegas and I saw more people OCing in a couple of days than I have seen in Texas over the last year. That might be because they do not require a license for OC plus they have regulations where it is legal to OC in some places, but you cannot CC in that same place.

    Granted I don't get out much, but if I ever saw anyone OC, when I do get out, I'd be way more likely to OC, myself. When I have OC'ed, I feel really exposed, feeling which I know can only be unlearned by the OC'ing that I think about and then don't do. Around home, I always OC, but even in my little town of Utopia I am a rarity, if I do.

    The whole National Reciprocity thing seems like an in for the Fed Gov to regulate something they've not had a hand in before. I see where it looks good to some who travel a lot, but I'm afraid in the long run, it won't turn out good. I'm surprised the Dems don't see that and jump on the bandwagon to pass it, but I guess since NRA supports it...
     
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    Suffice it to say that if national reciprocity were to pass that most the states that Texas doesn't have reciprocity with now are not all of a sudden going to become friendly towards people carrying. You can probably bet they are going to try to enact laws that will become problematic to those who do.
     

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    Suffice it to say that if national reciprocity were to pass that most the states that Texas doesn't have reciprocity with now are not all of a sudden going to become friendly towards people carrying. You can probably bet they are going to try to enact laws that will become problematic to those who do.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't try something ridiculous like making it so that you needed a license to carry ammo. Never underestimate the inherent evil in those who would choose to violate (what are supposed to be) our Constitutionally protected rights.
     

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    Suffice it to say that if national reciprocity were to pass that most the states that Texas doesn't have reciprocity with now are not all of a sudden going to become friendly towards people carrying. You can probably bet they are going to try to enact laws that will become problematic to those who do.
    I think this was the point that the video I referenced was trying to make.
     
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