When is an SBR not an SBR?

[SC-Texas]

The ATF definition of an sbr is a weapon with a butt stock, a "rifled barrel" and a barrel less than 16" or OAL of less than 24 inches meant to fire a single projectile.

You sir are incorrect.

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[SC-Texas]

The ATF definition of an sbr is a weapon with a butt stock, a "rifled barrel" and a barrel less than 16" or OAL of less than 24 inches meant to fire a single projectile.

The actual definition

(7)

The term “rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

(8)

The term “short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.

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[SC-Texas]

The term “short-barreled rifle” means:
1. a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length
and
2. any weapon
A. made from a rifle if such weapon, as modified,
B. has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.

Is that It? Do yall see that?

That is an AND!
This reformation.
1. Barrel less than 16"
2. NOT MADE FROM A RIFLE OR does this matter?
3. Is NOT less than 26" overall length


But

(a)Firearm

The term “firearm” means;
(3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
(4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;




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[TX OMFS]

The actual definition



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Umm, your quote says a rifle has to have a rifled barrel.

 

[sucker76]

In for updates

 

[Shady]

Don't matter the manufacturer has said it does not have a smooth bore.

 

[SC-Texas]

Umm, your quote says a rifle has to have a rifled barrel.

Franklin armory has said its not a smooth bore.

Smooth bore gets into the shotgun definition

Unless it doesn't fire a shotshell

That's interesting also

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[Renegade]

Did a little more thought on this, and it is possible it does not fire when trigger is pulled, but when trigger is released:

(7)
The term “rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger

 

[grumper]

I hope it's a gyrojet. Always wanted one of those.

I'm guessing it's the binary trigger that makes it not a rifle. A single pull of the trigger in this case will result in 2 shots. One on the pull and another on release. Both shots happen during the span of time between individual trigger pulls, so therefore by definition it can not be a rifle. USC Title 18 uses two different words when defining a rifle and a MG. Trigger pull vs trigger function. So they have a firearm that is not a rifle because it expels 2 projectiles per trigger pull, yet doesn't meet the definition of a MG because the pull & release are separate trigger functions and each only fires 1 shot.

I still want a miniature rocket launcher though.

 

[Younggun]

Just watch it on those windy days, lol

 

[robertc1024]

This thread is another reason why I hate stupid laws.

 

[easy rider]

Subbed

 

[benenglish]

Off-Topic Warning

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/14/new-russian-9-6x53mm-lancaster-cartridge-366-tkm-news/

That article is dismissive of Paradox choke rifling, characterizing them as having merely "somewhat rifle grade accuracy". If anyone is interested, Paradox guns can be wonderfully accurate if you know what you're doing.

 

[F350-6]

It's not designed to be fired from the shoulder

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Exactly. They're shooting for the, it's just a pistol thing. They've already got AR pistols. http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/saint-ar-15-pistol-5-56/

This is just the next step to say why bother with the 26" overall length. After all, it's just a pistol.

I've got a pistol or two that have rifled barrels much shorter than the ones being talked about here. They're also considerably shorter.

 

[Renegade]

The following 4 things define a rifle. It doesn't have at least one of them, while not falling into definition of something else.

1) Fired from shoulder
2) Made to use energy of an explosive
3) fires single projectile through rifled bore
4) single pull of trigger

 

[SC-Texas]

So. ATF has confirmed that no letter has been issued for this firearm according to recoil web

http://www.recoilweb.com/has-franklin-armory-found-an-atf-loophole-132912.html

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[orbitup]

It looks like it has a binary trigger so maybe they are saying that since it has more than one round per trigger pull it's not a rifle. It's still only one round per "operation" so it's not a MG.

 

[SC-Texas]

I think Franklin Armory's announcement is the greatest

Ever. Lol. Maybe. Hope not.

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[benenglish]

I haven't been rickrolled in a long time. Thanks for the memories.

 

[SC-Texas]

I haven't been rickrolled in a long time. Thanks for the memories.

If Franklin Armory has succeeded in rick rolling us the backlash will be epic!

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