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  • Charlie Primero

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    Would you site your sources for that info, websites don't count.

    Certainly.

    Here are some non-web sources to get your research started.

    MEDICAL DEPARTMENT, UNITED STATES ARMY PREVENTIVE MEDICINE IN WORLD WAR II, Volume IX, SPECIAL FIELDS, Prepared and published under the direction of Lieutenant General LEONARD D. HEAT0N The Surgeon General, United States Army Editor in Chief, Colonel ROBERT S. ANDERSON, MC, USA Editor for Preventive Medicine, EBBE CURTIS HOFF, PhD, M D Assistant Editor, PHEBE M. HOFF, M.A., OFFICE OF THE SURGEON GENERAL DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY WASHINGTON, D.C., 1969

    Erhard Köstler, Franz Grohmann, Rudolf Bentzinger "Heckenrosen: Tagebücher aus Krieg und Gefangenschaft in Frankreich, November 1944 bis Oktober 1948" Dr. Bachmaier Verlag, 2003

    R.J. Rummel STATISTICS OF DEMOCIDE: Chapter 13: Death By American Bombing And Other Democide Böhme, Kurt W. (1972).

    Die deutschen Kriegsgefangenen in amerikanischer Hand
    . Ernst und Werner Gieseking.
    Kleemann, Kurt (1994). "Die Kriegsgefangenenlager Remagen und Sinzig 1945 aus der Sicht kommunaler Aktenbestände, Jahrbuch für Westdeutsche Landesgeschichte". Jahrburch für West-deutsche landesgeschichte.

    James Bacque Other Losses: An Investigation into the Mass Deaths of German Prisoners at the Hands of the French and Americans After World War II, Toronto: Stoddard, 1989

    Ambrose, Stephen E. (24 February 1991). "Ike and the Disappearing Atrocities". The New York Times. Retrieved 12 October 2014. S.P. Mackenzie in J. Vance, ed. The Encyclopedia of Internment and Prisoners of War

    Ferguson, Niall, Prisoner Taking and Prisoner Killing in the Age of Total War: Towards a Political Economy of Military Defeat, War in History, Vol. 11, 2004
     
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    avvidclif

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    Certainly.

    Here are some non-web sources to get your research started.

    MEDICAL DEPARTMENT, UNITED STATES ARMY PREVENTIVE MEDICINE IN WORLD WAR II, Volume IX, SPECIAL FIELDS, Prepared and published under the direction of Lieutenant General LEONARD D. HEAT0N The Surgeon General, United States Army Editor in Chief, Colonel ROBERT S. ANDERSON, MC, USA Editor for Preventive Medicine, EBBE CURTIS HOFF, PhD, M D Assistant Editor, PHEBE M. HOFF, M.A., OFFICE OF THE SURGEON GENERAL DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY WASHINGTON, D.C., 1969

    Erhard Köstler, Franz Grohmann, Rudolf Bentzinger "Heckenrosen: Tagebücher aus Krieg und Gefangenschaft in Frankreich, November 1944 bis Oktober 1948" Dr. Bachmaier Verlag, 2003

    R.J. Rummel STATISTICS OF DEMOCIDE: Chapter 13: Death By American Bombing And Other Democide Böhme, Kurt W. (1972).

    Die deutschen Kriegsgefangenen in amerikanischer Hand
    . Ernst und Werner Gieseking.
    Kleemann, Kurt (1994). "Die Kriegsgefangenenlager Remagen und Sinzig 1945 aus der Sicht kommunaler Aktenbestände, Jahrbuch für Westdeutsche Landesgeschichte". Jahrburch für West-deutsche landesgeschichte.

    James Bacque Other Losses: An Investigation into the Mass Deaths of German Prisoners at the Hands of the French and Americans After World War II, Toronto: Stoddard, 1989

    Ambrose, Stephen E. (24 February 1991). "Ike and the Disappearing Atrocities". The New York Times. Retrieved 12 October 2014. S.P. Mackenzie in J. Vance, ed. The Encyclopedia of Internment and Prisoners of War

    Ferguson, Niall, Prisoner Taking and Prisoner Killing in the Age of Total War: Towards a Political Economy of Military Defeat, War in History, Vol. 11, 2004

    Did you read any of what you posted, specifically "Ike and the Disappearing Atrocities".
     

    candcallen

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    Why is anyone engaging in debate with Charlie Primero? His type should be ignored and relegated to such insignificance that they might as well never existed. Even discussing their opinions gives a sense of legitimacy they don't deserve.

    The numbers and designations of victims of the holocaust only serve to punctuate the impact and severity of the event upon mankind. All are diminished by this.

    The following is Regarding the ideology and actions of people like those who prosecuted these events, not directed at any specific person;

    All are entitled to think how they want about who ever they want. This said any actions by such people to bring those thoughts into real world action should be snuffed out instantly and with the most extreme prejudice and violence of action.

    To be clear think how you want. Attempt to act on your ideology you forfeit any such right to live.
     
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    MTA

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    I guess supporting collectivism is like any other self destructive behavior. I don't get it either.

    Good point. I don't get it either

    Why is anyone engaging in debate with Charlie Primero? His type should be ignored and relegated to such insignificance that they might as well never existed. Even discussing their opinions gives a sense of legitimacy they don't deserve.

    The numbers and designations of victims of the holocaust only serve to punctuate the impact and severity of the event upon mankind. All are diminished by this.

    The following is Regarding the ideology and actions of people like those who prosecuted these events, not directed at any specific person;

    All are entitled to think how they want about who ever they want. This said any actions by such people to bring those thoughts into real world action should be snuffed out instantly and with the most extreme prejudice and violence of action.

    To be clear think how you want. Attempt to act on your ideology you forfeit any such right to live.

    Given the choice, would you take away Charlie's ability to talk about his views on this subject?
     

    Charlie Primero

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    Nobody on here is that ignorant.
    I beg to differ.

    The level of historical ignorance displayed in this thread is shocking.

    We even have people saying "If it's on the web it ain't no good", but they will believe the filth Hollywood spews. I've seen a good case made that such people deserve to be run like cattle on a ranch.
     

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    I don't watch anything out of hollyweird since the time of the election of the horse-faced, jug-eared piece of shit that stunk up the White House for 8 interminable years! I got my info on the Holocaust many years ago, from books written either by people it happened to, or by people who actually were there afterwards and saw it with their own eyes! Try again, Charlie!
     

    easy rider

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    I beg to differ.

    The level of historical ignorance displayed in this thread is shocking.

    We even have people saying "If it's on the web it ain't no good", but they will believe the filth Hollywood spews. I've seen a good case made that such people deserve to be run like cattle on a ranch.
    I'm not exactly sure whom you are trying to insult, but I had gotten much of my knowledge of the holocaust out of the mouths of those that were there. People that had lived it and those who fought and witnessed it, but I guess if you read about it I should discount much of what they said.

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    benenglish

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    Given the choice, would you take away Charlie's ability to talk about his views on this subject?
    On a private forum where the basic business model is endangered by even a perception that the forum is lending credibility to viewpoints that are generally acknowledged to be shockingly offensive to virtually the entire population from which the forum derives income, yes.

    I'm surprised the mods haven't already kicked him.

    Note the basis of my opinion, please. On that basis, even if Charlie were entirely correct in everything he says and thinks, TGT should have already made the business decision to kick him.

    Absent that basis, i.e. in the real world, of course I would NOT take away his ability to talk about his views. If he wants to start a forum of his own or stand on a soapbox in a park, he absolutely has that right.
     

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    On a private forum where the basic business model is endangered by even a perception that the forum is lending credibility to viewpoints that are generally acknowledged to be shockingly offensive to virtually the entire population from which the forum derives income, yes.

    I'm surprised the mods haven't already kicked him.

    Note the basis of my opinion, please. On that basis, even if Charlie were entirely correct in everything he says and thinks, TGT should have already made the business decision to kick him.

    Absent that basis, i.e. in the real world, of course I would NOT take away his ability to talk about his views. If he wants to start a forum of his own or stand on a soapbox in a park, he absolutely has that right.


    No I get that and where you are coming from with your perspective, but I was asking the person I had quoted because I was curious to hear his response based off what he had written
     

    Dawico

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    On a private forum where the basic business model is endangered by even a perception that the forum is lending credibility to viewpoints that are generally acknowledged to be shockingly offensive to virtually the entire population from which the forum derives income, yes.

    I'm surprised the mods haven't already kicked him.

    Note the basis of my opinion, please. On that basis, even if Charlie were entirely correct in everything he says and thinks, TGT should have already made the business decision to kick him.

    Absent that basis, i.e. in the real world, of course I would NOT take away his ability to talk about his views. If he wants to start a forum of his own or stand on a soapbox in a park, he absolutely has that right.

    From a business standpoint, I bet these discussions are a good thing.

    Why should the mods ban him? Has he broken a rule?

    Is disagreeing with common beliefs reason for a ban?
     

    benenglish

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    From a business standpoint, I bet these discussions are a good thing.
    From an "any publicity is good publicity" point of view, you may be right.
    Why should the mods ban him?
    Because I don't accept the point of view that any publicity is good publicity. TGT is a business entity. If someone in your place of business is making you look bad, you're well within your rights to show them the door. So, just how good does it look to have a forum of 2A supporters tolerating a discussion wherein talking points out of the holocaust deniers playbook are being openly used? I think it looks bad enough for the business owners or their representatives to show the door to the person using those talking points.
    Has he broken a rule?
    Three, in my opinion. But that's a determination that falls to the mods.
    Is disagreeing with common beliefs reason for a ban?
    Absolutely not.
     

    candcallen

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    Good point. I don't get it either



    Given the choice, would you take away Charlie's ability to talk about his views on this subject?
    Given the choice wouldn't you like to reread my post? The answer to your straw man question is there. RIF but comprehension is that basis of understating.
     
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