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  • TheDan

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    Fussing about pot smoke at a rock concert is like fussing about noise at a gun range.
    I've always had a problem with cigarette smoke. A little bit is tolerable, but a room full of it will cause an asthma like reaction. First time I went to a bar, I thought I was about to die from all the smoke in there. Guess what, I didn't goto bars after that :laughing:
    That includes restaurants that allow smoking as well.

    Now in a lot of cities it's illegal to smoke in bars, but that is bullshit. It should be up to the business owner to decide. I certainly don't have the right to make everyone inside stop smoking just because I want to goto a bar...
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    Younggun

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    Yeah, I guess I get it. Well hopefully you understand now. ‘Why’ is often a question asked that yields a defensive response. I took the “why” as an “why on earth?!”

    Hopefully I answered in such a way so that it makes perfect sense, assuming you really wanted to know and not just provide a critique.


    It just seemed like a weird question. Well I like the music and I bought a ticket. That’s why. Simple.


    This chain takes the subject a little OT in my reasoning, but it gets in to a greater question of rights and my feelings on them.

    IMO, you certainly have a right to listen to music. You have every right to listen to music that you create. All other music you listen to is by permission and not a "right".

    I've argued many times against the grain here that a business owner had the right to ban firearms on their premises and we have a right to not enter.

    With the concert example, there is the ability to enter at the owners permision to listen to music being played after an agreement is reached between the venue and the band. They invite/allow you to enter but you or I have no right to set stipulations for them aside from "I want this environment or I will not attend"

    My opinion is that the options are to attend the concert and not complain if the environment is within the bounds of what the owner of the venue allows, or don't go. Attending and then attempting to set rules for someone else's venue is something I find to be a bit overreaching.

    The claim can be made that there are laws in place and those should be adhered to, but I'm also of the persuasion that laws are not always correct and being that laws are fallible they should not be used as justification for such arguments.

    I guess I find the basis of the argument to be untrue in that their is no right to the product of someone else's labor, in this case live music. So there is no inherent right to set standards for the environment in which the product is consumed.

    Not really an argument for or against pot, but one on the more broad idea of the rights of the individual to their property and fruits of their labor.

    I'm also against smoking bans in restaurants and other private businesses. I believe it's a decision for the owner to make based on the market and the owners personal preference of what is or isn't allowed. I hold this view after leaving cigarettes behind and finding the smell pretty off putting.
     

    TheDan

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    No one has brought up tobacco.
    Nicotine. Strongest addiction I've ever had.
    Bad for me and those around me.
    Real bad.
    Completely legal.
    Federal and State.
    Forget nicotine. Most addictive substance in the world is sugar. Dang pushers everywhere I go...
    "You want fries with that?"
    "You want to super size it for three cents more?"
    No mf'er! I ordered the damn grilled chicken for a reason!
     

    benenglish

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    ...cigarette smoke. A little bit is tolerable, but a room full of it will cause an asthma like reaction.
    Same here. That was the reason I quit doing standup comedy in my 30s. (Well, that and a lack of talent.) Comedy clubs were too full of smoke. I tended to hang outside, go in and do my set, then leave.

    For one special event (which turned out to be the last time I did comedy onstage) I toughed it out for 2 hours in the club, a place thick with cigarette smoke haze. The result? Pneumonia. I had to be hospitalized and nearly died.

    To go a little bit back on topic, secondary effects are real things. If legalization makes those secondary effects impossible to escape (which I'm not saying, just asking) then I'd have a problem with it.
     

    Lunyfringe

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    I'm on the hard shit. HFCS.
    That is some hard shit to avoid... I work really hard to keep it out of my diet since Type 2 diabetes is very common in my family. I was diagnosed with pre-diabetes in my early 30s.. now my A1C is exactly where it should be.
    ETA: I'm 47 now, older than my parents & uncle were before the onset of type 2
    But they put it in everything- even things you don't normally think would need sweetening: Salsa, ketchup, horseradish, crackers, etc...


    One of the dirty secrets is how HFCS is made- involving genetically modified enzymes and fungus

    https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/modern-foods/the-murky-world-of-high-fructose-corn-syrup/
     
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    Brains

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    I'm so sick of HFCS, it makes me dislike so many foods because they all start tasting a bit alike. That same old gooey syrupy overly sweet boringness.
     

    majormadmax

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    I was just in Colorado for two weeks (got back on Friday) and I can sure-as-shit tell you that legalized pot has had an even greater impact on that state than its use when it was still illegal. I did smell it on several occasions in the Colorado Springs area and weed shops outnumber MacDonald's and Starbucks. There are even "churches" that sell it (to get around paying taxes).

    And while I know it's not likely, a large number of drivers in the Springs-Denver corridor drive like they're stoned! I was stuck behind idiots on I-25 in the left lane doing 20 under the speed limit (which is usually 75 MPH) and not passing the vehicles in the right lane. I've also never witnessed so many people running red lights in my life (even compared to the Middle East or Italy!). My rental had a sunroof and I even got whiffs of the stuff stopped at traffic lights, so I am pretty much convinced that people are driving and smoking it.

    Lastly, the homeless/drug users in downtown C-Springs are like the zombies in The Walking Dead, you can't avoid them! Acacia Park looked like Woodstock with the number of stoners hanging out in it. And yes, I did see a number of homeless "camps" throughout the city. I have been going to "The Springs" for years now, and it is noticeably worse!

    Again, I don't see marijuana being any worse than alcohol or nicotine; but we've got enough problems with those and other "legal" drugs. I also agree that legalization attracts a certain "demographic" that don't contribute much to society in general. I am sure there will be responsible users, but even this minority brings an unwelcomed element that Texas doesn't need.

    Plus, they'd all most likely vote Democratic, so it's best they stay away! :spank:

    Cheers! M2
     

    ZX9RCAM

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    That is some hard shit to avoid... I work really hard to keep it out of my diet since Type 2 diabetes is very common in my family. I was diagnosed with pre-diabetes in my early 30s.. now my A1C is exactly where it should be.
    But they put it in everything- even things you don't normally think would need sweetening: Salsa, horseradish, crackers, etc...

    One of the dirty secrets is how HFCS is made- involving genetically modified enzymes and fungus

    https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/modern-foods/the-murky-world-of-high-fructose-corn-syrup/

    I've got pre-diabetes as well, how were you able to get your A1C down to good levels?
    I just hope it wasn't diet and exercise, because that's too much work , lol.
     

    Lunyfringe

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    I've got pre-diabetes as well, how were you able to get your A1C down to good levels?
    I just hope it wasn't diet and exercise, because that's too much work , lol.
    Really the only thing I did differently was cut out High Fructose Corn Syrup any way I could...

    but it's pervasive- even ketchup... except Whataburger ketchup- they use real suger.
    I have theories why this worked/helped... but I haven't let them cut me apart to find out if I'm right yet.
     

    TheDan

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    I've got pre-diabetes as well, how were you able to get your A1C down to good levels?
    I just hope it wasn't diet and exercise, because that's too much work , lol.
    Yeah, a low carb diet is sooooo hard to stick to ;)

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    Wildcat Diva

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    This chain takes the subject a little OT in my reasoning, but it gets in to a greater question of rights and my feelings on them.

    IMO, you certainly have a right to listen to music. You have every right to listen to music that you create. All other music you listen to is by permission and not a "right".

    I've argued many times against the grain here that a business owner had the right to ban firearms on their premises and we have a right to not enter.

    With the concert example, there is the ability to enter at the owners permision to listen to music being played after an agreement is reached between the venue and the band. They invite/allow you to enter but you or I have no right to set stipulations for them aside from "I want this environment or I will not attend"

    My opinion is that the options are to attend the concert and not complain if the environment is within the bounds of what the owner of the venue allows, or don't go. Attending and then attempting to set rules for someone else's venue is something I find to be a bit overreaching.

    The claim can be made that there are laws in place and those should be adhered to, but I'm also of the persuasion that laws are not always correct and being that laws are fallible they should not be used as justification for such arguments.

    I guess I find the basis of the argument to be untrue in that their is no right to the product of someone else's labor, in this case live music. So there is no inherent right to set standards for the environment in which the product is consumed.

    Not really an argument for or against pot, but one on the more broad idea of the rights of the individual to their property and fruits of their labor.

    I'm also against smoking bans in restaurants and other private businesses. I believe it's a decision for the owner to make based on the market and the owners personal preference of what is or isn't allowed. I hold this view after leaving cigarettes behind and finding the smell pretty off putting.

    Smoking pot is not legal. My ticket is a contract between me and the venue. I have an expectation that security will enforce the rules of the show. I have never went to a venue that insinuated that I was going to have to put up (that security would not enforce the legal position) with having to “tolerate” secondhand pot smoke intensely concentrated in my face, nor have I ever experienced such a thing for any length of time (after taking action) in the many concerts I have attended since probably 1984.

    Since it is an illegal substance, the law is on my side to get security behind to enforce what I expect. I’ve never had a problem with this, and I’ve not done anything wrong or “dangerous” to “doom” us by speaking up for what I will tolerate or expect in such a venue. So far, I’ve been on the right side of it.

    There IS the right to set standards. I disagree. Legal precedent. Illegal and disruptive behavior that impacts me is something I either address myself or can ask for support to get addressed. And I have, with positive results. Shall I call the concert venues ahead of time and ask them their policy on this? I guarantee that not one of them will tell me that if someone is disturbing me by smoking pot right in my face that I’m SOL and that security won’t help me.

    Most of the time. I don’t need security’s help. I can communicate with the person and they can see where it’s going right from the start and they can keep it up or not. They have their choice, and I have mine. If it turns into a ruckus, I can pretty much predict how it’s gonna turn out.
     

    Younggun

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    Smoking pot is not legal. My ticket is a contract between me and the venue. I have an expectation that security will enforce the rules of the show. I have never went to a venue that insinuated that I was going to have to put up (that security would not enforce the legal position) with having to “tolerate” secondhand pot smoke intensely concentrated in my face, nor have I ever experienced such a thing for any length of time (after taking action) in the many concerts I have attended since probably 1984.

    Since it is an illegal substance, the law is on my side to get security behind to enforce what I expect. I’ve never had a problem with this, and I’ve not done anything wrong or “dangerous” to “doom” us by speaking up for what I will tolerate or expect in such a venue. So far, I’ve been on the right side of it.

    There IS the right to set standards. I disagree. Legal precedent. Illegal and disruptive behavior that impacts me is something I either address myself or can ask for support to get addressed. And I have, with positive results. Shall I call the concert venues ahead of time and ask them their policy on this? I guarantee that not one of them will tell me that if someone is disturbing me by smoking pot right in my face that I’m SOL and that security won’t help me.

    Most of the time. I don’t need security’s help. I can communicate with the person and they can see where it’s going right from the start and they can keep it up or not. They have their choice, and I have mine. If it turns into a ruckus, I can pretty much predict how it’s gonna turn out.

    The claim can be made that there are laws in place and those should be adhered to, but I'm also of the persuasion that laws are not always correct and being that laws are fallible they should not be used as justification for such arguments.

    This isn't just about pot. Apply is to anything else. What gives you the right to tell the property owners what they can or can't allow. The "right", not legal bullying power.
     

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    This isn't just about pot. Apply is to anything else. What gives you the right to tell the property owners what they can or can't allow. The "right", not legal bullying power.
    I’m not TELLING the owners anything, dammit. I’m asking them to support me with help from security and they FRICKING comply every time. What’s the rub?
     

    Younggun

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    I’m not TELLING the owners anything, dammit. I’m asking them to support me with help from security and they FRICKING comply every time. What’s the rub?

    Do you believe they are unaware? Do you believe they have an issue with what their attendees are doing or do you believe they simply fear legal consequences?

    If your temperament in those situations is as you imply then it sounds much more like bullying than "excuse me sir, somebody is smoking pot. Thought I'd let you know"
     

    Dawico

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    If it is a non smoking venue (which most are) I agree that people shouldn't be smoking anything in there.

    Honestly though, at a rock concert you should kind of expect it to happen.

    I would think the smart choice for a pregnant or nursing mother would be to avoid the situation completely.
     

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    Do you believe they are unaware? Do you believe they have an issue with what their attendees are doing or do you believe they simply fear legal consequences?

    If your temperament in those situations is as you imply then it sounds much more like bullying than "excuse me sir, somebody is smoking pot. Thought I'd let you know"

    First question: N/A, why should I care?

    Second question: N/A why should I care?

    I’m being very assertive with security. Not aggressive with them at all. They could tell me to “get fucked” if they want. But they don’t.

    Why can’t I ask for and expect good customer service from them? Any other customer with a contract with the venue (bought a ticket) is welcome to do the same.

    If they have a corporate policy with how they handle pot smoking... well, maybe they can direct me to that formal policy and I’ll give it a read.

    Calling me a “bully”, that’s cute. Up until the time I act, I’m the one suffering with what I think is not personally tolerable.

    I mean, if I’ve never been to a concert, that’s one thing as far as what I expect. But dozens of experiences have shown me what to expect and how to navigate what I find there. Not seeing the problem. I consider that I am well within my rights with my behavior and see no moral dilemma either.
     
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