School shooting suspect made 'disturbing' social media posts

[TreyG-20]

I fear the time when you will have to prove your sanity if you say, had a counsel about PTSD after release from the military, or maybe you disclosed to your doctor that sometimes you are sad or depressed.

I already fear this time. When I came home from Iraq I was forced into counciling by my command for an incident that occurred while I was there. I felt like I was being punished. The entire time of my counciling I was flagged from reenlistment, promotions, PCS amongst other things. I had not done anything wrong except lose a close friend, yet until I was cleared from that I had no opportunity to advance. I kept my mouth shut and didn't tell them a damn thing about what happened or how I felt. The whole thing put a bad taste in my mouth. Unit went to shit afterwards and I left. I have been out for 5 years now and refuse to give the VA anything they may decide to use against me. Scary to think about how just having some close to you pass on and talking about it could be used to take away your rights.

 

[LOCKHART]

I looked up HIPPA on Google. First thing that popped up were names of a bunch of damned LAWYERS! WTH??

 

[Wildcat Diva]

^^^ it’s so providers can get sued for negligently disclosing any medical information.

That’s a big deal.

But...Back in the day... the newspapers listed who was in the hospital so that you could go visit them lol.

 

[LOCKHART]

Like this? "George Smith, who killed his whole family with a chainsaw, is now in the Rusk State Hospital for the criminally insane, is ready for visitors.". Like that? LOL!

 

[Wildcat Diva]

No no! Haha. Community hospital! Like Mrs. Darlene Johnson was admitted on Thursday 2/15 on the medical floor.

There is a memories page for our local city on Facebook and I saw that on there.

 

[LOCKHART]

LOL! I know, wildcat. Just tuggin on your sleeve.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

Hahaahaaa ok.

 

[Omegaheat]

They have people on social media that over look posts and moderate, but you know posting weird shit like that isnt red flaggish at all. Smdh...

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[TAZ]

This kind of comment scares me. You see, in a related vein, this makes people like me not want to “do my job.” I can’t report everyone who fantasies about violence in a therapy session. It’s ineffective. It’s not going to work.

And I’m going to get sued if the mother-fucker acts on a fantasy as if it’s my fault? You can’t predict accurately who will act and who will not, and the amount of false positives are astounding. This, “let’s sue them all attitude” is going to drive good therapists like me away from wanting to work with these kids.

That’s not what I said at all. I stated that he wasn’t prosecuted for criminal acts, not for fantasy. If you felt that he was a threat you should be reporting the patient. If you don’t you should be sued, same as the surgeon who leaves his cellphone in his patient.

IMO part of the issue we are dealing with is that not a soul has access to the big picture. As a therapist, do you have access to a minors sealed criminal records? Would your assessment of his mental status be affected by knowing he has a history of petty crime that grew into violence and maybe into animal cruelty? Now when he said he wants to kill his teachers what’s your reaction.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

That’s not what I said at all. I stated that he wasn’t prosecuted for criminal acts, not for fantasy. If you felt that he was a threat you should be reporting the patient. If you don’t you should be sued, same as the surgeon who leaves his cellphone in his patient.

IMO part of the issue we are dealing with is that not a soul has access to the big picture. As a therapist, do you have access to a minors sealed criminal records? Would your assessment of his mental status be affected by knowing he has a history of petty crime that grew into violence and maybe into animal cruelty? Now when he said he wants to kill his teachers what’s your reaction.

So, I know that’s not exactly what you said, but you post gets me to thinking. What I said was taking what you said to the next level. Building on it.

And, by Texas law... I’m not permitted to report any client who I think is a threat. It’s illegal. I would be violating the law, so how should I be sued for following the law?

See my quote below.
Basically, this:
“Thus, in Texas, a psychotherapist who acts on a duty to warn and/or protect when a client expresses the intent to harm another individual would be violating Texas law and placing her or himself at great legal risk.”

I have no access to anyone’s records unless they are public or if they provide me consent. Yes of course having multiple sources is always good for an assessment, but that hardly ever happens.

If someone said that I would try to get them to report on themselves and encourage them to develop a safety plan. If a minor, I would involve the parent, and the doctor of our treatment team that I may communicate with by default in my current employment.

http://societyforpsychotherapy.org/confidentiality-and-its-exceptions-the-case-of-duty-to-warn/

“In... Texas, the Texas Supreme Court ruled in 1999 that health professionals in that state have no duty to warn and protect (Thapar v. Zezulka, 1999). As Barbee, Combs, Ekleberry, and Villalobos (2007) explain, the Texas Supreme court specifically decided not “to violate various state confidentiality statutes enacted by the Texas Legislature governing mental health professionals” (p. 19). Thus, in Texas, a psychotherapist who acts on a duty to warn and/or protect when a client expresses the intent to harm another individual would be violating Texas law and placing her or himself at great legal risk.“

 

[Wildcat Diva]

I’m very disappointed in the Sheriff’s answers and the NRA Spokeswoman’s answers to this town hall.

They are throwing mental health under the bus. Wanting to take people’s rights “before” they are a danger to anyone. Law enforcement “shouldn’t have to wait” for someone to be a danger to self or others they can take people somewhere ahead of that to be evaluated and say “yeah, do it” and their guns and rights get taken away “forever” and “they should never get them back.”

Uh yeah, nothing is gonna go wrong with this picture. No likelihood of abuse of power here.

Also, people are gonna run as far as they can from mental health “help” lest it be used against them.

 

[Shady]

well if they have to run from mental health at least they will be known as crazy and a danger due to not getting the meds.

And not some wolf in sheep clothing just waiting to decide to stop taking the only thing keeping them sane and bust a cap in a bunch of people.

 

[grasshopperglock]

The U.S. is only two nations on earth that allow pharmaceutical garbage to be marketed directly to the public. Lone wolf this, pills that. Same old talking head points.

Seems like a whole lot of trust in a government deciding who's sane enough for their rights. But if the mental health boogeyman helps people sleep. Give up even more freedom. Carl Marx's corpse is getting a boner.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

well if they have to run from mental health at least they will be known as crazy and a danger due to not getting the meds.

And not some wolf in sheep clothing just waiting to decide to stop taking the only thing keeping them sane and bust a cap in a bunch of people.

Who are “they?” The millions of people who seek mental health treatment and deserve a right to self defense? The VAST majority of whom are no harm to anyone?

Anyone who has depression? Anyone who’s ever had an aggressive thought or a suicidal thought?

And if they don’t get treatment in the first place due to fears of consequences (loss of rights) how would they be “known?” I don’t get that.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

This “stigma” that’s out there now and getting bigger, expanding by the second is going to mean a DECLINE in effective mental health care, MARK MY WORDS.

Don’t think that’s going to have a very good outcome.

And if society puts it all (legally) on MH professionals who are not ABLE to accurately predict dangerousness... well good luck keeping good providers. There are enough risks just doing this for a living without that added pressure.

 

[avvidclif]

With all due respects Diva it sounds like our mental health care providers have all the accuracy of a weather forecaster. Mother nature and a nutcase are about as predictable.

Just trying to throw a little levity into a discussion I am enjoying but don't have any answers for. Nice to have a pro in here.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

With all due respects Diva it sounds like our mental health care providers have all the accuracy of a weather forecaster. Mother nature and a nutcase are about as predictable.

Just trying to throw a little levity into a discussion I am enjoying but don't have any answers for. Nice to have a pro in here.

That’s ok. We, as providers, diagnose and treat mental illness. That’s not the same as predicting dangerous behavior. Totally not in our scope. Not our area.

 

[easy rider]

I've gone through periods of depression (Divorce, Loss of father, lose of mother and certainly when I lost my fiance to cancer, which lasted for over a year for me), I would hate to think that any those periods someone could have diagnosed me as unfit to own handguns. Who is the one that says at a certain degree of mental illness you lose your rights? And what would be the line?

I certainly understand patterns of behavior over time, but is it the symptom or the treatment that preclude you from owning guns?

 

[Shady]

I have no clue where to draw the line but if you have the cops called on you 39 times in 7 years that is a clear indication you are in need of more than a pill and a pat on the back.

Who are “they?” The millions of people who seek mental health treatment and deserve a right to self defense? The VAST majority of whom are no harm to anyone?

Anyone who has depression? Anyone who’s ever had an aggressive thought or a suicidal thought?

And if they don’t get treatment in the first place due to fears of consequences (loss of rights) how would they be “known?” I don’t get that.

 

[DwnRange]

That’s ok. We, as providers, diagnose and treat mental illness. That’s not the same as predicting dangerous behavior. Totally not in our scope. Not our area.

So what would you say about the metal heath of folks screaming "BURN HER" here at your NRA spokeswoman (posted above) latest townhall meeting in FL.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...n_hall_if_i_didnt_have_a_security_detail.html