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  • oldag

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    That's interesting.
    I've been pre-diabetic for many years.
    I started a low carb diet a while back due to increasingly A1c levels, it had gotten up to 9.
    My latest blood test showed it down to 6, which is still high, but a great improvement.

    Of course this means I'm eating more red meat, lol.

    Also cut way back on carbs (especially sugar). Dropped about 10 lbs, blood sugar levels better. Feel better (except at mealtime :().
     

    deemus

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    That's interesting.
    I've been pre-diabetic for many years.
    I started a low carb diet a while back due to increasingly A1c levels, it had gotten up to 9.
    My latest blood test showed it down to 6, which is still high, but a great improvement.

    Of course this means I'm eating more red meat, lol.

    Turd. Eat a burger for me.
     

    deemus

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    My wife has been doing this stir fry thing for a few months. I love Chinese food, and its kind of like that, only no awesome sauces. She puts the Braggs Amino's in it. Tastes pretty good. Stir fry veggies along with burger, venison burger, or venison chili meat.

    Same reason for her, no breads / carbs. I'm just along for the ride, cuz I won't cook something different and I know its better for me than what I would cook.
     

    pipe dreams

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    I suffer from low testosterone levels. I am 38 years young and have had low levels for 10 years. I was on Test. therapy years ago, but change in health coverage and i had to stop it. Well I was finally able to get the VA to put me back on Test. therapy after two years of BS. With the VA the cover the testosterone so that is a huge money saver.
    I had been using a private clinic and paying out of pocket. The clinic I used is out of Florida and they can do everything over the phone and email. They can put in an order for your blood work. You need to have Free Test, Total Test. and Test %. You also should have your estrogen and estradiol levels checked, along with your FSH and LH levels. Might as well get you growth hormone, hGH and IGF1. You really want to check all your endocrine system to get a clear picture. If you can't get your insurance to cover the therapy I can give you the contact for the clinic I used before the VA covered this. They are great and even saved me some money by using my labs from the VA. Literally once they had my labs and I qualified for treatment they had the prescription testosterone shipped to my door next day.
    I am feeling great now that my total test level is in the 700s, and thats at the end of the week from injection. I am on 200mg of Test Cyp per week. I also just got the VA to add HCG and Clomid to the therapy for testicular atrophy, sperm production, and estrogen blocking.
    Any questions just ask. I have been researching this for 10 years and seen by some excellent endocrinologist and urologist.
     
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    Oh another thing....there are ways to have lower levels of Test before the blood draw.
    It's pretty easy and makes since. Test is produce during sleep, so stay up as late as possible the night before. They will want to test early in the morning when test levels are the highest, so try to give blood at say 930am verses 7am. the 5 days before the test limit your protein intake and eat more carbs and crap food. Drink some alcohol the night before as well. Don't work out for a couple days before the lab. These things WILL lower your levels.
    So if your are doing theses things regularly then your levels will be lower and just making those life style changes will improve the testosterone levels naturally.
    They also will require at least two consecutive blood labs showing low test.
     
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    IXLR8

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    As I understand it, if you begin test therapy, it can NEVER be stopped. Once you begin to boost your test via a non natural method, your body will never recover its production. I have heard this repeatedly from different doctors. It is primarily the reason that I never started.
     

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    As I understand it, if you begin test therapy, it can NEVER be stopped. Once you begin to boost your test via a non natural method, your body will never recover its production. I have heard this repeatedly from different doctors. It is primarily the reason that I never started.

    Not exactly true. One reason you need to be on HCG while on Test. therapy. The hcg keep the testicles producing testosterone naturally. Also there is a peptide that is shown to get the testicles working even after years of steroid abuse, I'm talking much more Test. than you would take for therapy . The peptide is Triptorelin (GnRH). If I remember correctly it's one dose of 100mg of GnRH.
     

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    Not exactly true. One reason you need to be on HCG while on Test. therapy. The hcg keep the testicles producing testosterone naturally. Also there is a peptide that is shown to get the testicles working even after years of steroid abuse, I'm talking much more Test. than you would take for therapy . The peptide is Triptorelin (GnRH). If I remember correctly it's one dose of 100mg of GnRH.
    After doing a quick Google search, I am unable to find any confirmation of your comments. Can you please post any links?
     

    pronstar

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    As I understand it, if you begin test therapy, it can NEVER be stopped. Once you begin to boost your test via a non natural method, your body will never recover its production. I have heard this repeatedly from different doctors. It is primarily the reason that I never started.

    Someone (maybe you) keeps repeating this statement.

    But what do you have to lose if you aren’t producing enough anyway? You’ll never make any more than you do today.

    By not supplementing, you’re never going to reap the benefits regardless.

    It’s like having a bucket with a hole halfway down the side. You’re never going to maintain water above that hole.

    But you can add a supplemental hose that will fill the bucket faster than you’re losing it from the hole...so I’m not understanding the argument that “if you remove the supplemental hose you’ll never be able to maintain a full bucket.” You were never going to get there regardless.

    Sorry for the bad example, it’s the best Whiskey allowed me to come up with.


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    pipe dreams

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    Exactly. Those of that need testosterone replacement therapy will never have the levels that are needed. Of you have symptoms of low Test. and your levels are low than therapy is necessary. Unless of course they can figure out a reason why it's low and threat that. I have have all kinds of blood work and even an MRI of my brain to check the pituitary glad. My pituitary glad is normal. Also I have a sleep study next week for sleep apnea. There is a direct link between sleep apnea and low Test. O believe it because sleep is when our bodies replenish the natural supply of testosterone, also most growth hormone is created diridu sleep. If I have sleep apnea (which I most likely do bc people tell me I stop breathing when insleep) then this could be the cause of the low Test.
     

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    If you are feeling well, why, for goodness sake, do you want to test testosterone?

    I'd advise against it. I wouldn't order it, if I was your doctor.

    More healthcare, is not better healthcare. Yes, most labs will draw labs for cash (actually can be the cheapest way much of the time). They aren't restricted.
     

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    T levels are part of men's overall health.
    If you want to improve your overall health, you need to measure your base line numbers.

    You cannot effect any real change unless you can measure what you want to change.
     

    pronstar

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    If you are feeling well, why, for goodness sake, do you want to test testosterone?

    I'd advise against it. I wouldn't order it, if I was your doctor.

    More healthcare, is not better healthcare. Yes, most labs will draw labs for cash (actually can be the cheapest way much of the time). They aren't restricted.

    Many folks aren’t feeling well.
    Or the gradual change over many years is deemed “you’re getting old” and it’s just accepted.

    Adding T was life-changing for me. I don’t know anyone else’s situation tho.

    How can you simply state “I'd advise against it. I wouldn't order it, if I was your doctor” without have any information, no data about his health, to base this on?”

    You’re not a doctor, but I wouldn’t want a doc who came to conclusions without even looking at my condition...?


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    You don’t think your use of anabolic steroids resulted in your hypogonadism?

    The OP said he felt great. I don’t order Chest X-ray looking for pneumonia when they have no respiratory symptoms. There are no recommendation to screen testosterone levels without signs or symptoms of hypogonadism.

    Edit: Sorry, let me add some contest. I am a practicing hospitalist, and pride myself in being an internist. I'm not an endocrinologist, but this area of medicine is flooded with pseudoscience and people searching for easy youth. You show me where a legitimate society that recommends universal screening for testosterone, I'll shut up. I have seen unnecessary testing cause unneeded harm.

    I'm glad you found something that works for you.
     
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    pronstar

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    You don’t think your use of anabolic steroids resulted in your hypogonadism?

    The OP said he felt great. I don’t order Chest X-ray looking for pneumonia when they have no respiratory symptoms. There are no recommendation to screen testosterone levels without signs or symptoms of hypogonadism.

    It absolutely did!
    But it can also be the result of more natural causes for others.

    Unfortunately our older selves, must live with the consequences of decisions made by our younger selves.

    This could be as innocuous as poor diet (turns out acceptable guidelines of the past weren’t all that healthy), or more deliberate like smoking, drugs or steroid use.

    Rather than punishing ourselves for the past by living in misery in the present, I think it’s great that there are proven “fixes” to many of the resultant ailments we live with today

    But we’re generally in agreement, if it works, don’t fix it.

    But sometimes things can work more optimally than what we’ve come to accept as normal.

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