H.R.5103 - Gun Violence Prevention and Safe Communities Act of 2018

[Bobk]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5103/text?format=txt

Proposal to increase Stamp Tax to $500.00

 

[SC-Texas]

The assault continues. The way the NRA and the Republicans have been acting, they smell blood in the water

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[grumper]

Of course, because so many criminals are abusing the system by paying the $200 tax and waiting 6-9 months for the FBI to conduct a background check before knocking off the liquor store.

Do these democrat nitwits even think before proposing these idiotic bills?

 

[jrbfishn]

No. That would require use of the brain which would cost way to much in aspirin for the ensuing headache.

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[oldag]

Of course, because so many criminals are abusing the system by paying the $200 tax and waiting 6-9 months for the FBI to conduct a background check before knocking off the liquor store.

Do these democrat nitwits even think before proposing these idiotic bills?

You make the mistake of thinking the liberals objective is to keep guns away from criminals. The liberals want to keep guns away from all citizens.

 

[Lunyfringe]

Of course, because so many criminals are abusing the system by paying the $200 tax and waiting 6-9 months for the FBI to conduct a background check before knocking off the liquor store.

Do these democrat nitwits even think before proposing these idiotic bills?

They are just deeply dishonest about the intentions of the bill...

But if they called it what they really want, they couldn't dupe people and politicians to get behind it.

The idiots are the ones who continually vote for these morally repugnant posers.

 

[Kar98]

It's all posing, virtue signaling and patting themselves on the back.

 

[HKShooter65]

This is just harassment.

We were so close to a major advance then happened Las Vegas.

$200 was quite a sum of money 90 years ago when enacted.
$200 now is just clubhouse dues.

$500 for a full auto is annoying though a pittance.
$500 for a $350 22lr can or a $700 pistol can is harassment pure and simple. A poke in the eye!!!


Hoping here it'll all just die on the vine.

 

[NavyVet1959]

NFA34 and GCA68 are blatantly unconstitutional in that their sole purpose is to INFRINGE upon our natural born rights as free men to bear arms which the Founding Fathers considered so important that they reaffirmed it in the 2nd Amendment.

 

[FireInTheWire]

That's biggest bunch of BS.... I'm seeing red from reading this...

 

[Koinonia]

Watch them propose a bill requiring use of suppressors within x miles of a residential area next, with stipulations that the rangeowner could not transfer posession of suppressors to more the one person at a time to limit the amount of persons that could shoot at a time, driving mass amounts of shooters to pay the new tax to get a can, thus creating a more complete list of persons who own and regularly shoot firearms. /endconspiracy

 

[Vaquero]

Watch them propose a bill requiring use of suppressors within x miles of a residential area next, with stipulations that the rangeowner could not transfer posession of suppressors to more the one person at a time to limit the amount of persons that could shoot at a time, driving mass amounts of shooters to pay the new tax to get a can, thus creating a more complete list of persons who own and regularly shoot firearms. /endconspiracy

Watch them get the finger.

 

[kozmic]

This proposed bill seems to do A LOT more than just raise the NFA tax to $500...and it would auto-adjust there-forward.

Automatic increase each year:

``(d) Adjustment for Inflation.--In the case of any taxable year
beginning in a calendar year after 2019, each dollar amount in
subsection (a) shall be increased by an amount equal to--
``(1) such dollar amount, multiplied by
``(2) the cost-of-living adjustment determined under
section 1(f)(3) for the calendar year in which the taxable year
begins, determined by substituting `calendar year 2018' for
`calendar year 2016' in subparagraph (A)(ii) thereof.
If any increase under paragraph (1) is not a multiple of $5, such
increase shall be rounded to the next lowest multiple of $5.''.


New 20% sales tax on any firearms and 50% sales tax on ammo:

``There is hereby imposed upon the sale by the manufacturer,
producer, or importer of the following articles a tax equivalent to the
specified percent of the price for which so sold:
``(1) Articles taxable at 20 percent:
``(A) Pistols.
``(B) Revolvers.
``(C) Firearms (other than pistols and revolvers).
``(D) Any lower frame or receiver for a firearm,
whether for a semiautomatic pistol, rifle, or shotgun
that is designed to accommodate interchangeable upper
receivers.
``(2) Articles taxable at 50 percent: Shells and
cartridges.''.
(b) Exemption for United States.--Subsection (b) of section 4182 of
the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended to read as follows:
``(b) Sales to United States.--No firearms, pistols, revolvers,
lower frame or receiver for a firearm, shells, and cartridges purchased
with funds appropriated for any department, agency, or instrumentality
of the United States shall be subject to any tax imposed on the sale or
transfer of such articles.''.

Finally, the last part seems to modify the definition of semiautomatic pistols, if chambered for rounds commonly used for rifles:

(c) Certain Semiautomatic Pistols Chambered for Cartridges Treated
as Firearms.--The first sentence of section 5845(a) of the Internal
Revenue Code of 1986 is amended--
(1) by striking ``and'' before ``(8)'';
(2) by striking ``device.'' and inserting ``device, and'';
and
(3) by adding at the end the following: ``(9) a
semiautomatic pistol chambered for cartridges commonly
considered rifle rounds, configured with receivers commonly
associated with rifles and capable of accepting detachable
magazines.''.



I would actually be okay with raising the taxes a bit ($200 was worth a lot more in 1986 - not to mention value in 1934), BUT... ONLY if they also re-opened the NFA to post-86 items...



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[NavyVet1959]

We don't need to be creating more laws, we need to be repealing EXISTING laws.

And I am NEVER for increasing taxes. The government needs to learn to be more efficient and not just pass along its inefficiency to us expecting we'll continue to pay for it.

 

[BRD@66]

We don't need to be creating more laws, we need to be repealing EXISTING laws.

And I am NEVER for increasing taxes. The government needs to learn to be more efficient and not just pass along its inefficiency to us expecting we'll continue to pay for it.

well yeah. and great! - if you'll run for prez.

 

[kozmic]

We don't need to be creating more laws, we need to be repealing EXISTING laws.

And I am NEVER for increasing taxes. The government needs to learn to be more efficient and not just pass along its inefficiency to us expecting we'll continue to pay for it.

While I wholeheartedly agree, there's what "should happen" and what "could happen"... and right now (and probably for at least the foreseeable decade or two), FOPA ain't getting repealed, so... while we can continue to be idealistic, it can't hurt to propose amendments to new bills to try to lean them the right way.

I also have very serious doubts that NFA will ever be open to new post-86 items in my lifetime, but at least pushing back on bills like this one, with opening the books to new registrations for Class III items tells the other side where we are at...and perhaps slows their roll a bit.

 

[RoadRunner]

While I wholeheartedly agree, there's what "should happen" and what "could happen"... and right now (and probably for at least the foreseeable decade or two), FOPA ain't getting repealed, so... while we can continue to be idealistic, it can't hurt to propose amendments to new bills to try to lean them the right way.

I also have very serious doubts that NFA will ever be open to new post-86 items in my lifetime, but at least pushing back on bills like this one, with opening the books to new registrations for Class III items tells the other side where we are at...and perhaps slows their roll a bit.

How about we just say NO to new bills! Your way of thinking is just like the NRA's and that is what has got us where we are.

 

[benenglish]

...FOPA ain't getting repealed, so...

AFAIK, no one on our side wants to repeal FOPA. There are just a few parts that are intolerable. It needs a technical corrections bill. So does the NFA but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish.

...with opening the books to new registrations for Class III items...

I've never understood why the folks who purport to represent our interests don't make a big Veteran's Day deal out of the bills, introduced into every Congress, to allow another amnesty. The 1968 amnesty came and went quickly. To this day, there are WWII and Korea vets with bring-backs hidden in the attic because they didn't get them registered. It would seem to be an easy political sell to legitimize those guys by having another amnesty just like the one in 1968.

Emphasized words are critical, btw. Failure to replicate the process in every way could be a disaster but that discussion is going a bit far afield.

 

[TAZ]

Of course, because so many criminals are abusing the system by paying the $200 tax and waiting 6-9 months for the FBI to conduct a background check before knocking off the liquor store.

Do these democrat nitwits even think before proposing these idiotic bills?

Yes, they do VERY much. That’s why there is so much work obfuscation and word play involved in these bills. The same people who thought treating black folks worse than cattle came up with Jim Crowe laws, the KKK and who fought tooth and bail against civil rights reforms are now targeting another group. Yeah, of course they are thinking about what they want.

 

[Ole Cowboy]

BETTER READ FOLKS:

SEC. 2. INCREASE IN EXCISE TAXES RELATING TO FIREARMS.


Section 4181 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended to read as follows:

“SEC. 4181. IMPOSITION OF TAX.

“There is hereby imposed upon the sale by the manufacturer, producer, or importer of the following articles a tax equivalent to the specified percent of the price for which so sold:

“(1) Articles taxable at 20 percent:

“(A) Pistols.

“(B) Revolvers.

“(C) Firearms (other than pistols and revolvers).

“(D) Any lower frame or receiver for a firearm, whether for a semiautomatic pistol, rifle, or shotgun that is designed to accommodate interchangeable upper receivers.

“(2) Articles taxable at 50 percent: Shells and cartridges.”.

and

(A) Thirty-five percent of such amounts shall be available for community-oriented policing services grants for the hiring and rehiring of additional career law enforcement officers under section 1701(b) of title I of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 (42 U.S.C. 3796dd(b)). States using funds for school resource officers shall include training, protections, and monitoring to ensure that school resource officers are used to improve school safety and climate, and promote positive reform in student suspensions, expulsions, and referrals to the juvenile or criminal justice systems.

[Guess I am not getting it, if this makes the communitty safer why do they need to hire more LEO's?????]

Cosponsor Date Cosponsored
Rep. Pascrell, Bill, Jr. [D-NJ-9]*
Rep. Johnson, Henry C. "Hank," Jr. [D-GA-4]*
Rep. Kelly, Robin L. [D-IL-2]*
Rep. Langevin, James R. [D-RI-2]*
Rep. Blumenauer, Earl [D-OR-3]*
Rep. Bass, Karen [D-CA-37]*
Rep. Norton, Eleanor Holmes [D-DC-At Large]*
Rep. Cohen, Steve [D-TN-9]*
Rep. Lynch, Stephen F. [D-MA-8]*
Rep. Raskin, Jamie [D-MD-8]
Rep. DeSaulnier, Mark [D-CA-11]
Rep. Lee, Barbara [D-CA-13]