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    ^^ Why not? Repairs happen daily to far worse damages.

    The vehicle is designed to crumple on one hit. Things are designed to get damaged. After its crashed the designed weaker spots do their job of keeping the forces at work out of the cabin. Keep you from getting hurt. Now take the same repaired vehicle and crash it again. The design elements have been altered from factory fresh to repaired. The body man might have had to heat up high strength steel parts to align it back.

    It won't behave the same in another crash. Of course it'll drive straight. The front end can be aligned. But don't think you can sue Toyota if it doesn't perform like it did in the first crash.
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    NavyVet1959

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    I was driving down a local 4-lane neighborhood street the other day and one of those large fat Muscovy ducks (which are too lazy to actually *fly*) decided to cross the road. The driver 2 cars in front of me stopped, but I was far enough back that I didn't need to slam on my brakes. In the lane next to me though, the driver didn't see that soon and ended up slamming on the brakes which caused the car behind it to lock up its brakes and nearly hit the rear of that car. This was not too far past a traffic signal that everyone had been stopped for, so everyone would normally be accelerating toward the next light. The rear vehicle's tires were squealing as they slid across the pavement and it was pretty obvious from the sign language used that the rear driver (and the driver in front of me) thought that the people who had stopped for the ducks were idiots.

    I was driving a pickup, so I would have just kept driving without slowing down. It has enough ground clearance that if the duck kept its head down, I wouldn't hit it. On the other hand, if the duck didn't duck, he would be toast... :)

    It is entirely possible for a situation to occur where the driver in front is legally responsible for someone running into the back of them. I'm not so sure that would be the case here, but it probably *should* be.
     

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    I was driving down a local 4-lane neighborhood street the other day and one of those large fat Muscovy ducks (which are too lazy to actually *fly*) decided to cross the road. The driver 2 cars in front of me stopped, but I was far enough back that I didn't need to slam on my brakes. In the lane next to me though, the driver didn't see that soon and ended up slamming on the brakes which caused the car behind it to lock up its brakes and nearly hit the rear of that car. This was not too far past a traffic signal that everyone had been stopped for, so everyone would normally be accelerating toward the next light. The rear vehicle's tires were squealing as they slid across the pavement and it was pretty obvious from the sign language used that the rear driver (and the driver in front of me) thought that the people who had stopped for the ducks were idiots.

    I was driving a pickup, so I would have just kept driving without slowing down. It has enough ground clearance that if the duck kept its head down, I wouldn't hit it. On the other hand, if the duck didn't duck, he would be toast... :)

    It is entirely possible for a situation to occur where the driver in front is legally responsible for someone running into the back of them. I'm not so sure that would be the case here, but it probably *should* be.

    Actually No, a rear End collision is a failure to control the vehicle, and they would be at fault.


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    Actually No, a rear End collision is a failure to control the vehicle, and they would be at fault.

    Not always... I did see a situation once where this road rage idiot tried to hit another SUV and even after the SUV changed lanes to turn, the road rage idiot crossed a few lanes of traffic, just barely missing the other SUV and then he slammed on his brakes to make the other SUV hit him in the rear. There were a few witnesses to this and they stayed around until the cops got there and it was written up as a fault of the road rage idiot and his insurance company had to pay. As it turned out though, the innocent SUV had a rather solid winch bumper and it did a pretty good amount of damage on the rear door and bumper of the idiot road rager's SUV.
     

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    i just saw this, sorry. I am the sole salesman in 6 states for 1 of the 3 major Estimating Software companies.

    without writing an actual estimate, it's easily $10-15k. All that sensor crap will get sorted out in the pre and post scans.

    If the truck is worth $30k, you have up to roughly $22k before they total it out.

    What area are you in, and what insurance company? I can make some recommendations and make sure you don't get reamed.

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    The vehicle is designed to crumple on one hit. Things are designed to get damaged. After its crashed the designed weaker spots do their job of keeping the forces at work out of the cabin. Keep you from getting hurt. Now take the same repaired vehicle and crash it again. The design elements have been altered from factory fresh to repaired. The body man might have had to heat up high strength steel parts to align it back.

    It won't behave the same in another crash. Of course it'll drive straight. The front end can be aligned. But don't think you can sue Toyota if it doesn't perform like it did in the first crash.
    A half-decent shop should NEVER repair any type of high strength steel. Sadly I've had shops surprised when I mention this.

    With today's repair procedures, vehicles can be restored to pre-accident condition. Whether or not this happens is the question.

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    Fenders are high strength steel. They're heated up all the time. Especially to pop out hail dents. Shrink stretched metal. Modern frames are hydroformed. They stick a tube of the steel in a mould. Pressurised water pushes the tub to the shape of the form. Ta-Da, frame rail. It's technically cold forged. Some frames have accordion crinkles along the very front. If it gets crushed its a one time thing on crash protection. It's not meant to be straighten back out. The entire rail needs to be replaced.

    I've been GM certified in frame repair. Nothing beats new. No matter how well you try to get it back that way. Close but not the same. If it was so, salvaged titled stuff would command more money. There's a difference and it can affect the vehicle. If a crashed vehicle doesn't bother you. That's ok to.
     
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    not all fenders are high strength. actually very few, mostly in some BMWs. Rear quarter panels are more common, majority of inner quarters. Ironically GM uses almost no high strength steel in their vehicles.

    The main issue is HSS is visually identical to regular mild steel. So it really depends on the shop.

    I understand what you are saying and I don't disagree. Especially with unibodies... well, maybe. A lot of them nowadays are have separate pieces, like framehorns, etc. that can be replaced.

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