USA out of Iran deal

[dmancornell]

So you are saying that the cop that chases down the robber is intervening in his right to rob?

No, not really I don't think you are saying that...or I hope not

Here is the problem folks:

Some must be the cop on the beat for without it you have a vacuum and all vacuum get filled. There is no such thing as Peace among peoples. Cops neglect S side Chicago and as a result it a war zone.

When you view this on a global paradigm then in order to maintain some semblance of peace then you need a cop on the beat. So lets go with a non-intervention strategy and see where that path leads? A vacuum is created and who fills it?

Iran in the ME

Russia in Europe

China in Asia

S/Latin America: Split with China/Russia

Africa: China/Russia

And the final domino, the US: China/Russia with China take W of the Mississippi River and Russia taking the rest.

If you watch China and see their actions then I clearly see a country building toward a global role by force. But The lessons of Hitler/Japan and WWII were not lost. No one country can rule the Globe, but 2 can and possibly even 3, but each has to pose a global threat and right now there is only 1, the US. Neither China/Russia have the resources to do it and Russia will be happy as a #2 player with all of Europe and some pieces of the pie across the globe and the E half of the US.

Europe is making a grave mistake today not backing us on the Iran nuke deal. In fact as a watcher of Europe I see it inching closer and closer to Russia, till one day Russia steps in and takes it and can do so and barely fire a shot.

For further reading: https://www.fluentin3months.com/mandarin-chinese-is-easy/

All the scenarios you cited have zero basis in reality. Iran has not started any wars in the Middle East. Russia intervened in a single civil war that was incited by US/EU meddling. China has not started any wars. The US has started or incited more wars in the last 20 years than all of those other countries combined, and for reasons far less altruistic than acting as the "world police".

Yours is scaremongering of the worst sort: hysterical scenarios to justify US aggression all across the world. The US is literally building a global role by force and causing misery all over the world and you condemn China for supposedly planning the same. Hypocrisy much?

 

[oldag]

All the scenarios you cited have zero basis in reality. Iran has not started any wars in the Middle East. Russia intervened in a single civil war that was incited by US/EU meddling. China has not started any wars. The US has started or incited more wars in the last 20 years than all of those other countries combined, and for reasons far less altruistic than acting as the "world police".

Yours is scaremongering of the worst sort: hysterical scenarios to justify US aggression all across the world. The US is literally building a global role by force and causing misery all over the world and you condemn China for supposedly planning the same. Hypocrisy much?

You really are amazingly ignorant of history.

China and wars? Korean War. Vietnam War. Results: holocaust scale slaughter in Cambodia. Burma. China was behind the curtain on all these.

Russia has invaded neighboring countries (Ukraine, Georgia, Crimea).

You obviously do not understand the meaning of "incite", as well.

 

[dmancornell]

You really are amazingly ignorant of history.

China and wars? Korean War. Vietnam War. Results: holocaust scale slaughter in Cambodia. Burma. China was behind the curtain on all these.

Russia has invaded neighboring countries (Ukraine, Georgia, Crimea).

You obviously do not understand the meaning of "incite", as well.

Don't call others ignorant when your grasp of reality is demonstrably non-existent. China did not start the Korean War or the Vietnam War. Cambodia went communist largely because of the American intervention in Vietnam (so much for the domino theory). China got involved in Burma only after race riots in Rangoon, and they only provided logistical support to the insurgency as opposed to actual military contribution.

Crimea was not a country. Russia intervened in the Georgian civil war and provided support to Crimean separatists. The Ukrainian conflict can be traced to US/EU versus Russian interests vying for power in Kiev. Both sides have plenty of blame in that mess.

What would you call US support for rebels leading to the Libyan Civil War? Clinton went on 60 Minutes to brag about how she had Qaddafi killed to solidify her foreign policy "credentials" for her 2016 presidential run. That is the dictionary definition of incite.

 

[oldag]

Don't call others ignorant when your grasp of reality is demonstrably non-existent. China did not start the Korean War or the Vietnam War. Cambodia went communist largely because of the American intervention in Vietnam (so much for the domino theory). China got involved in Burma only after race riots in Rangoon, and they only provided logistical support to the insurgency as opposed to actual military contribution.

Crimea was not a country. Russia intervened in the Georgian civil war and provided support to Crimean separatists. The Ukrainian conflict can be traced to US/EU versus Russian interests vying for power in Kiev. Both sides have plenty of blame in that mess.

What would you call US support for rebels leading to the Libyan Civil War? Clinton went on 60 Minutes to brag about how she had Qaddafi killed to solidify her foreign policy "credentials" for her 2016 presidential run. That is the dictionary definition of incite.

So much there that is simply, factually wrong. If reality ever gets in the same zip code with you, try to get in touch with it.

Enjoy.

 

[dmancornell]

So much there that is simply, factually wrong. If reality ever gets in the same zip code with you, try to get in touch with it.

Enjoy.

As the late Christopher Hitchens said: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".

I would like to hear from you how China supposedly started the Korean and Vietnam Wars.

 

[Ole Cowboy]

All the scenarios you cited have zero basis in reality. Iran has not started any wars in the Middle East. Russia intervened in a single civil war that was incited by US/EU meddling. China has not started any wars. The US has started or incited more wars in the last 20 years than all of those other countries combined, and for reasons far less altruistic than acting as the "world police".

Yours is scaremongering of the worst sort: hysterical scenarios to justify US aggression all across the world. The US is literally building a global role by force and causing misery all over the world and you condemn China for supposedly planning the same. Hypocrisy much?

At best you're working knowledge is surface only, you have no depth of understanding and the more you spew the left ideology the less creds you have and at this point in time you are digging a hole.

By the way I have been listening to that same garbage that spills out of your mouth for the last 50 years.

As for the Chinese in Vietnam, they were there on the killing fields and they were easy to spot, they were the BIG ones. The Rusky's played to, providing equipment from tanks to trucks and everything in between.

Austin is a good place for you I am thinking, so do you have any guns or are you just a TROLL playing your silly game...

 

[dmancornell]

At best you're working knowledge is surface only, you have no depth of understanding and the more you spew the left ideology the less creds you have and at this point in time you are digging a hole.

By the way I have been listening to that same garbage that spills out of your mouth for the last 50 years.

As for the Chinese in Vietnam, they were there on the killing fields and they were easy to spot, they were the BIG ones. The Rusky's played to, providing equipment from tanks to trucks and everything in between.

Austin is a good place for you I am thinking, so do you have any guns or are you just a TROLL playing your silly game...

Heh, left ideology. Did you miss the part when I pointed out that today's foreign policy hawks trace their lineage to American left-progressivism at the dawn of the last century?

Do you have any proof or evidence from your 50 years of wisdom that Chinese troops participated in Vietnam while the US was engaged? And are you backing off the claim that China started the Vietnam War or are you abandoning that one? If you're going to call other people out for dilettantism, at least back your statements.

As for guns, I have a few. Don't like to brag though. I do live in Austin, after all. Gun-grabbers everywhere.

 

[easy rider]

I gave up, dmancornell sounds like he's from the Tehran part of Austin.

 

[dmancornell]

I gave up, dmancornell sounds like he's from the Tehran part of Austin.

Come on, "they hate us" is just low effort. Don't give up so easily LOL.

 

[easy rider]

No matter what you say, it won't change my mind on who the enemies of my country are.

 

[dmancornell]

Never expected to. But you might change my mind if you come up with a really good argument.

 

[Ole Cowboy]

Heh, left ideology. Did you miss the part when I pointed out that today's foreign policy hawks trace their lineage to American left-progressivism at the dawn of the last century?

Do you have any proof or evidence from your 50 years of wisdom that Chinese troops participated in Vietnam while the US was engaged? And are you backing off the claim that China started the Vietnam War or are you abandoning that one? If you're going to call other people out for dilettantism, at least back your statements.

As for guns, I have a few. Don't like to brag though. I do live in Austin, after all. Gun-grabbers everywhere.

I have never at any time stated China started the war in Vietnam, not sure where you got that.

As for the Chinese being there...YEA, I FRIGGIN shot them, like I said, they were the BIG ones, about a head taller than the Vietnamese, made easy targets.

 

[easy rider]

Maybe Oregon was your better choice. Your arguments are more in line with the ultra liberal.

 

[dmancornell]

I have never at any time stated China started the war in Vietnam, not sure where you got that.

As for the Chinese being there...YEA, I FRIGGIN shot them, like I said, they were the BIG ones, about a head taller than the Vietnamese, made easy targets.

You responded to my post saying "China has not started any wars" with a claim on Chinese involvement in Vietnam. If you were going to deviate from that line of argument, say so.

Why would Vietnam invite Chinese soldiers into their fight when they were aligned with the Soviet side of the Sino-Soviet split? They absolutely hated each other. China and Vietnam fought a war shortly after the Americans left. And if your claim is true, why did the Pentagon not provide proof of PLA troops in theater? And why would Chinese soldiers be taller than Vietnamese soldiers after suffering a massive famine just a few years prior to when you supposedly encountered them?

Seems like a figment of your imagination. Did they tell you their nationality after you shot them, or do you go strictly with a height-based assessment?

 

[dmancornell]

Maybe Oregon was your better choice. Your arguments are more in line with the ultra liberal.

That line again? I already said no to the Middle East.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Alex?

 

[Davetex]

Alex?

HAHA yeah, but is it smart?

 

[Ole Cowboy]

You responded to my post saying "China has not started any wars" with a claim on Chinese involvement in Vietnam. If you were going to deviate from that line of argument, say so.

Why would Vietnam invite Chinese soldiers into their fight when they were aligned with the Soviet side of the Sino-Soviet split? They absolutely hated each other. China and Vietnam fought a war shortly after the Americans left. And if your claim is true, why did the Pentagon not provide proof of PLA troops in theater? And why would Chinese soldiers be taller than Vietnamese soldiers after suffering a massive famine just a few years prior to when you supposedly encountered them?

Seems like a figment of your imagination. Did they tell you their nationality after you shot them, or do you go strictly with a height-based assessment?

I can tell you have never spent time in the bloody arena. When the dust settles we clear the battlefield, we examine the bodies and hate to break this to you, but Japanese, Vietnamese, Koreans, Chinese etc ALL look different. N Vietnam was looking for any help it could get, we were kicking their asses up and down S Vietnam. The Ruskys were there, just not on the battlefield, Russia and the Chinese would have loved to see the US go down in defeat on the killing fields and its also where they get training for their threat assessments. How do those Americans fight on the field of death.

Its clear that your knowledge is limited to what you read in the leftist rags and from your discussions in your circle jerks with those who are as limited in knowledge as yourself. I listened to the experts like yourself when I stepped off the DMZ of Vietnam onto a college campus in 1969. I later went back as an Infantry Officer and made a career of studying our enemies tactics and strategic thinking and I will tell you their politics are the ruse for their real intent. And as I stated this is why America plays the global role it does. You should understand, military actions are the true politics, its clear you have no concept or would see the China for what it really is thinking!

You might want to find another field to be a keyboard expert in because this ain't it!

 

[AustinN4]

A good read on the war is Mark Bowden's Hue: Hue 1968: A Turning Point of the American War in Vietnam
https://www.amazon.com/Hue-1968-Turning-American-Vietnam/dp/0802127002

 

[Ole Cowboy]

A good read on the war is Mark Bowden's Hue: Hue 1968: A Turning Point of the American War in Vietnam
https://www.amazon.com/Hue-1968-Turning-American-Vietnam/dp/0802127002

Could be interesting, I was there...but could not get to the outposts instead I headed up to Quang Tre and that was not any good either...LOL