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    Gee, that might have something to do with the fact that the US government has been meddling in Iranian affairs since the 50's, to the point where a reactionary theocracy managed to seize power. Then the US government reacted with military threats, economic sanctions, launching a bloody 10 year proxy war against them, and the occasional passenger plane shoot-down.

    Besides, enough Saudis hated America and Americans to blow up the WTC, but all the American presidents still line-dance with those SOB's.
    You seem to have a problem and I'm glad you have no loyalties. I hope you find a place to live where you can share them.
     
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    The framework does not give Iran a cent. The agreement lifts economic sanctions in return for UN inspections to ensure nuclear research is for power generation and civil use.

    Also, Iran literally cannot bite the US in the ass even if it tried.
    Let's see $150 billion is no cash. Inspections are announced in adequate time for cover up and no military bases inspected. Oh, and also we don't have a nuclear program, except for the decrepit warehouse full of documents ready for 2025.
     

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    Tell that to the Iraqi and Yemeni people... the ones who are still alive anyways. If you're going to cite "all of known history", the Europeans have been at each other's throats for far longer than the Arabs and Persians, but I don't see the US launching preemptive invasions into France and Germany, even though two progressive-leftist presidents managed to drag the US into two European wars in the last century.

    Historical factoid: global military intervention was a progressive/leftist tradition in the US that was co-opted by right wing politicians only when they realized war was a highly lucrative business for the political class. So much for far left thinking.
    You would rather have spoken German or Japanese?
     

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    So you are saying that the cop that chases down the robber is intervening in his right to rob?

    No, not really I don't think you are saying that...or I hope not

    Here is the problem folks:

    Some must be the cop on the beat for without it you have a vacuum and all vacuum get filled. There is no such thing as Peace among peoples. Cops neglect S side Chicago and as a result it a war zone.

    When you view this on a global paradigm then in order to maintain some semblance of peace then you need a cop on the beat. So lets go with a non-intervention strategy and see where that path leads? A vacuum is created and who fills it?

    Iran in the ME

    Russia in Europe

    China in Asia

    S/Latin America: Split with China/Russia

    Africa: China/Russia

    And the final domino, the US: China/Russia with China take W of the Mississippi River and Russia taking the rest.

    If you watch China and see their actions then I clearly see a country building toward a global role by force. But The lessons of Hitler/Japan and WWII were not lost. No one country can rule the Globe, but 2 can and possibly even 3, but each has to pose a global threat and right now there is only 1, the US. Neither China/Russia have the resources to do it and Russia will be happy as a #2 player with all of Europe and some pieces of the pie across the globe and the E half of the US.

    Europe is making a grave mistake today not backing us on the Iran nuke deal. In fact as a watcher of Europe I see it inching closer and closer to Russia, till one day Russia steps in and takes it and can do so and barely fire a shot.

    For further reading: https://www.fluentin3months.com/mandarin-chinese-is-easy/
    The Illuminati's philosophy was that you create turmoil to divide, then you create communism by solving the turmoil with the economy, money, and then you git rid of communism by economic control, you have the cash, and you have now the control of the world divided into ten fiefdoms.
     
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    All the scenarios you cited have zero basis in reality. Iran has not started any wars in the Middle East. Russia intervened in a single civil war that was incited by US/EU meddling. China has not started any wars. The US has started or incited more wars in the last 20 years than all of those other countries combined, and for reasons far less altruistic than acting as the "world police".

    Yours is scaremongering of the worst sort: hysterical scenarios to justify US aggression all across the world. The US is literally building a global role by force and causing misery all over the world and you condemn China for supposedly planning the same. Hypocrisy much?
    Ignorance for argument or argument for ignorance?
     
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    Iran dropped the USD. Now they're gonna get it. You seem awfully upset and extremely hyper. Either you've had too much coffee, crack, or OCD drugs. You could have put 10 of your last post into one single post. Calm down and quit running threads with spastic replies.
     

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    Don't call others ignorant when your grasp of reality is demonstrably non-existent. China did not start the Korean War or the Vietnam War. Cambodia went communist largely because of the American intervention in Vietnam (so much for the domino theory). China got involved in Burma only after race riots in Rangoon, and they only provided logistical support to the insurgency as opposed to actual military contribution.

    Crimea was not a country. Russia intervened in the Georgian civil war and provided support to Crimean separatists. The Ukrainian conflict can be traced to US/EU versus Russian interests vying for power in Kiev. Both sides have plenty of blame in that mess.

    What would you call US support for rebels leading to the Libyan Civil War? Clinton went on 60 Minutes to brag about how she had Qaddafi killed to solidify her foreign policy "credentials" for her 2016 presidential run. That is the dictionary definition of incite.
    That is Hillary's own little deal. Gadhafi gave up his nukes she took his weapons from Libya to Syria for her rebels, ?, he had no protection and she allowed Benghazi to cover it up. The whole plan was for her campaign.
     

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    Iran dropped the USD. Now they're gonna get it. You seem awfully upset and extremely hyper. Either you've had too much coffee, crack, or OCD drugs. You could have put 10 of your last post into one single post. Calm down and quit running threads with spastic replies.
    You know nothing about my replies or why they just don't fit into your narrative.
     

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    Pulling out may start the students thinking about what they don't have in relation to the rest of the world.

    That part of the world tends to roll over for tough guy leaders. Iran had all the Western lifestyle stuff back in the 70's. They rolled over during the "revolution" and have been wearing robes and become suddenly strictly religious ever since.

    Just like the Iraqi soldiers who repeatedly laid down their arms in front of ISIS, only to be executed, they're just not willing to fight for a better way of life. Even if they know what the better way is, or have experienced it.
     

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    That part of the world tends to roll over for tough guy leaders. Iran had all the Western lifestyle stuff back in the 70's. They rolled over during the "revolution" and have been wearing robes and become suddenly strictly religious ever since.

    Just like the Iraqi soldiers who repeatedly laid down their arms in front of ISIS, only to be executed, they're just not willing to fight for a better way of life. Even if they know what the better way is, or have experienced it.
    Every once in a while the students act like they want change and then don't get support from anyone and give up. I guess it's easier to be told than fight for freedom. Like some people here. They will fight you over the number of wars with who and why but not for the freedom of not being told how. I was eschewed for not knowing the difference between social Marxism and communist Marxism.
     

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    Not sure I agree with the Conservative part of the mix.

    Go read Rothbard's "The Betrayal of the American Right". Today's militarist "conservative" is indistinguishable from the Wilsonian progressive.

    I did notice you replied to my posts with twitter length soundbites and nothing substantial. Thumbs up for internet debate. :)
     
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    dmancornell

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    You still believe the false narrative of no WMD's but they were there all the same. He was a lose cannon with them in hand.

    As usual, what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Where's the beef?

    Keep in mind the last time Saddam demonstrably used chemical weapons (back in the 80's), he got them from France, Britain and the US.
     
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