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  • dogbone

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    It has nothing to do with saving lives and everything to do with control.

    Absolutely! In the case of Maryland's 2013 version of this foolishness, the prime reason for the law was to position then Governor Martin O'Malley as the most "progressive" of the 2016 Democratic Presidential candidates. You don't remember O'Malley? Not surprising as he was beaten in the polls with scores resembling 2% milk. He bombed in his bid for the White House, yet Marylanders are still stuck with his law. Now it spreads to New Jersey, just like everything else with the cancer of progressivism.
     

    TX OMFS

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    Woman offered me a really good job opportunity in California. I said I won't go.


    Her: No problem it’s a wildly progressive school that I don’t really understand but saw it and thought I should share.

    Me: Can't live in California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Hawaii, Maryland, and Pennsylvania

    Her: Damum that’s a bunch of no states.

    Me: yeah well View attachment 140948 I don't want to be a felon so I won't move there. Half the firearms I own are banned there
    I thought PA was good on guns. They banned assault rifles?!
     

    RoadRunner

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    Using the term 'assault weapon' is like using the term 'gun violence'. The anti-gun machine is the one that coined those terms to make people think that guns are bad. And they have used them so much that pro-gun folks are now using them.
     

    RoadRunner

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    Nowhere near as big an error as writing the bill in the first place.

    I feel sorry for NJ. Maryland passed a similar bill in 2013 but 4,000 of us testifying against it until 2:00 am in the Senate and another few thousand keeping them at it until 4:00 am in the House managed to beat them back to a "two feature" test with an exemption for the heavy barrel ARs used in rifle competition. The law still sucked and Baltimore's murder rate is pretty good proof not one life was saved by it.

    Good to hear that you were fighting the anti-gun machine.
     

    dogbone

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    Using the term 'assault weapon' is like using the term 'gun violence'. The anti-gun machine is the one that coined those terms to make people think that guns are bad. And they have used them so much that pro-gun folks are now using them.

    So far it has been a war of words and with the media complicit in the effort to strip our rights, the other side has an upper hand. We can fight back by trying to steer the language to a more accurate description and away from the emotional appeal of the left's scary words. They are small changes but easy enough to work into a conversation.

    Instead of "gun," try using "firearm." Firearm sounds just a little bit less scary. "Gun" is the boogeyman to the anti-rights crowd. Hearing and using the word sends them into a frenzy.

    Instead of "gun violence," substitute "criminal violence." It is a more accurate term and something both sides want a solution to. You can swing the conversation toward the real problem. This will allow you to portray our side as one which is also concerned with the safety of our community.

    "Assault weapon?" Yeah, they came up with a real winner there. It sounds tacticool enough that some on our side enjoy using it. The term "modern sporting rifle" sounds a bit contrived and I wish we had a better term than having to do a several minute long explanation of semi-auto vs. full auto vs. burst fire. Other possible substitutes are "Modern Musket" or "Home Defense Rifle."

    Good to hear that you were fighting the anti-gun machine.

    I must ashamedly admit to having sat on my butt for years and allowing others to step up and fight for our rights. The fight over Maryland's AWB was the swift kick in the tail I needed to wake up and get to work. Firearms freedom wasn't the only reason I was drawn to move to Texas but it is a cause I intend to remain active in fighting for now that I am here.
     

    Ole Cowboy

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    Lets look from their list at some of the things that make it bad and ILLEGAL:

    (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

    (iii) a thumbhole stock;

    (v) a bayonet mount;

    (vi) a flash suppressor, muzzle break, muzzle compensator, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, muzzle break, or muzzle compensator; or

    (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;

    (v) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;

    (vi) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned;

    (vii) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; or

    (viii) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm.


    A thumbhole stock or anything that encircles the barrel, none of the stuff above has any effect on the firearm and its ability to kill. When you ban something because of its physical appearance or because of its name "Assault Rifle" ) which the STUPID Lefties falsely thought that is what AR stood for).

    If you just think on their premise it makes them look stupid and anyone who buys into what bull shit they are trying to sell the public is a fool!
     

    MTA

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    Woman offered me a really good job opportunity in California. I said I won't go.


    Her: No problem it’s a wildly progressive school that I don’t really understand but saw it and thought I should share.

    Me: Can't live in California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Hawaii, Maryland, and Pennsylvania

    Her: Damum that’s a bunch of no states.

    Me: yeah well View attachment 140948 I don't want to be a felon so I won't move there. Half the firearms I own are banned there


    Pennsylvania isnt bad at all. I lived there for a year or so and I had a great experience with the 2A community. The only thing they have that sucks is private handgun sales have to go through an FFL. Other than that, there are no feature restrictions like the shitholes nj and ny have on "assault rifles". No mag capactiy restrictions too.

    Other than that, its what we would call a "free" state. The LTC up there consists of getting fingerprints at the sheriffs and then mailing a packet. Two weeks later, you get your license. No training or class fees. $24 for 5 years

    Plus the 2A people up there are rabidly pro gun and hate the federal government with a passion. If there is a rally at the state capitol, thousands are showing up. I use to carpool people from where I lived all the way to there for the rallies.

    I would just keep it on your list because you will freeze your ass off up there lol. Winter for 7 months out of the year blows but it is the best state for hunting that I have ever been to. People are a little more cold than a Southerner but they were way more accepting of me than most Southern folks are of them(good yankees, not the assless chaps wearing liberal types)
     

    Darkpriest667

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    Pennsylvania isnt bad at all. I lived there for a year or so and I had a great experience with the 2A community. The only thing they have that sucks is private handgun sales have to go through an FFL. Other than that, there are no feature restrictions like the shitholes nj and ny have on "assault rifles". No mag capactiy restrictions too.

    Other than that, its what we would call a "free" state. The LTC up there consists of getting fingerprints at the sheriffs and then mailing a packet. Two weeks later, you get your license. No training or class fees. $24 for 5 years

    Plus the 2A people up there are rabidly pro gun and hate the federal government with a passion. If there is a rally at the state capitol, thousands are showing up. I use to carpool people from where I lived all the way to there for the rallies.

    I would just keep it on your list because you will freeze your ass off up there lol. Winter for 7 months out of the year blows but it is the best state for hunting that I have ever been to. People are a little more cold than a Southerner but they were way more accepting of me than most Southern folks are of them(good yankees, not the assless chaps wearing liberal types)


    They have a LOT of liberals in the cities and the state senate has already tried to introduce rifle bans twice. Winter doesn't bother me, I'm from the panhandle.
     

    TheDan

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    So far it has been a war of words and with the media complicit in the effort to strip our rights, the other side has an upper hand. We can fight back by trying to steer the language to a more accurate description and away from the emotional appeal of the left's scary words.They are small changes but easy enough to work into a conversation.

    Instead of "gun," try using "firearm." Firearm sounds just a little bit less scary. "Gun" is the boogeyman to the anti-rights crowd. Hearing and using the word sends them into a frenzy.
    Playing the word salad game sets you up to lose. The people who've bought into the postmodern sliding definitions won't accept your definitions because you're not their tribe.

    The best thing to do is just call out their bullshit as meaningless and move on, but if you really want to debate them make them define their terms first. They usually can't or if they do will contradict their definition at some point because they have no objectivity in the first place. Substituting your own definitions will just get you in a pissing match about what the definition of is is.
     

    easy rider

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    Playing the word salad game sets you up to lose. The people who've bought into the postmodern sliding definitions won't accept your definitions because you're not their tribe.

    The best thing to do is just call out their bullshit as meaningless and move on, but if you really want to debate them make them define their terms first. They usually can't or if they do will contradict their definition at some point because they have no objectivity in the first place. Substituting your own definitions will just get you in a pissing match about what the definition of is is.
    Debate? As if they want to hear your side.
     

    BRD@66

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    You don't debate to change the other person's mind. It depends on the audience whether debating is worthwhile or not. I think it usually isn't worth it, but I understand the folks who like the sport of it.
    Wait - now you're talkin' about us here on TGT.
     
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