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  • Buckshot Wade

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    I learned to load under a shade tree with my great uncle loading .45Colt rounds with an Ideal 310 tool and black powder. That was around 1959 or so. A little later I got a Lyman Spartan press and Lyman AA dies for my only cartridge revolver, a .38Spl. Unlike my uncle, I was using smokeless. Years passed. More updated gear came and went. Was a class 1 dealer, class 6 ammo maker, and gunsmith. Had a full shop and loaded for many police agencies in my area. It eventually became too much. 5 gal buckets filled with empties would arrive every couple months. I finally stopped. Closed my shop and dropped all licenses and left the business selling all the tools of the trade. I kept the old Spartan and the SparT press. And my dies and basic tools. And somehow I began to accumulate Ideal & Lyman 310 tools. And I now load much of my rounds with a 310. Even .223Rem for an AR15. 38's, 357's, 44Spl & mag, 45 Colt & ACP, and many rifle rounds over the years. I still use the SparT mostly for resizing the 38s but most everything else is run through the 310.

    People say that my ammo cannot be accurate being loaded by what was nicknamed "nutcracker loader" but folks, I load 223s that print 1" groups with an open sight AR15 carbine when my eyes work right and I sit still. About a dozen die sets, three tong handles, small tools, an old Herters scale, and a 1905 Ideal No.5 powder measure all reside in a standard size toolbox. I can literally go in the woods and load anything I shoot. All I'll need extra is the powder, primers, and bullets. So why the 310 over a bench mounted press? Dunno... Maybe it's therapy for my hands. Or the laid back use eases my tired old mind. Whatever the reason I flat out enjoy the old ways. Even use 310 dies to resize cast bullets for many I load.
    I guess after loading tons of ammo for everyone else I just now just find the old ways relaxing.

    Dies are still out there. Mostly from estate sales now as old school reloaders die off. But Lyman still makes the 310 and about half a dozen common caliber dies. Sometimes ya gotta think outside the box. Like they didn't make 223Rem dies, but 222Rem dies are readily adaptable and load 223s with ease. But most people know little or nothing about the 310. They believe 2 dies are all you need. Wrong. They leave the case adapter [like a shellholder of sorts] in the handles and thus a very important part for a caliber goes missing. Without the adapter, the dies are useless. Stuff like that....

    But yeah, I guess I'm going backwards now, reverting to an easier time when we didn't demand instant gratification from things like cameras in phones rather than the once magic of Polaroid. Or cellphones instead of payphones or a dial phone at home. Or big expensive super progressive loaders that crank out a gazillion souless rounds as opposed to feeling the primers seat and the crimp going into the case as you close the tongs...
    Yeah, backwards ain't all that bad after all. Not being tied to a bench is a freedom I relish over speedy contraptions. Maybe, just maybe, my great uncle watches me from time to time as I load those 45 Colt rounds with an old 454190 cast bullet from an old Ideal mould. :)
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    jrbfishn

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    One of you please bring one to the family reunion. I would love to see one.

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    I could sit you down and give you a five minute demo. Then place the tools in front of you and you'd be pressing out precision ammunition sitting at a picnic table. :)

    My great uncle was a part time deputy in Montana but a full time bounty hunter from 1905 thru 1940. He packed a 310 rig and a Colt BP powder flask of FFF along with a tin of lubed and sized bullets and a box of primers in his saddlebags. He'd load rounds at a campfire if needed.

    The "Whack-a-mole" Lee Loader where one pounds cartridges together [barf!] is ludicrous. The 310 IS a press with zero beating, pounding, and breaking involved... You'd love it. :)
     

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    That is why I want to see one.
    I have the Lee Loaders. Easier and better is always better.

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    Less than $90 plu shipping. Not a bad deal for a traveling reloading set.

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    Too bad they don't list a .223 or 9mm.
     

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    Less than $90 plu shipping. Not a bad deal for a traveling reloading set.

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    Too bad they don't list a .223 or 9mm.
    You will find those on eBay. Type in the search:
    Ideal Lyman 310 tool. Now some gouging in there. A lot of stupid people who know nothing about reloading and especially 310 s. They sell incomplete die sets and almost always without the case adapter. Here, you gotta know what you're after and know the tools. If you don't, you will be frustrated. I've been using them for almost 6 decades now and kinda a 6th sense developed in spotting wrong stuff. Like dies for the EZY-LOADER press. They're FL dies and will not work in a 310. Yet they look similar. Ya gotta know what you're looking at...
     

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    I go the other way. I like to be able to reload at least half as fast as my wife can unload them. I use a single stage for rifle as I don't get in a hurry shooting. Now grandkids and an AR or two can get hectic.
     

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    Last progressive press I had lasted 4 hours. It broke parts twice in that time. I repaired it twice. The third time it broke I smashed into a solid wad of junk and threw it on the curb. I'll never own another "progressive" again in my life. Even if given one, I'd sell it unopened. Hate those things as much as child molesters!:torched:
     

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    But I do like old things. Like my razor is a 1947 Gillette Technical fat handle in gold. A mug and a brush followed by a shot of Bay Rum aftershave. Pure heaven. :) 0809181709.jpg
    I have gone stupid with pics now that I semi sorta almost can post em huh? Ha!
     

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    I go the other way. I like to be able to reload at least half as fast as my wife can unload them. I use a single stage for rifle as I don't get in a hurry shooting. Now grandkids and an AR or two can get hectic.
    Heh, mine is the same way. I pretty much have to measure her 9mm consumption by weight.
     

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    The direction the post was heading with your reloading gear I would have suspected a straight edge and strop....

    Don't use a 310, but still using a Spar-T for 30+ years...
     

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    Buckshot you obviously have never owned a Star loader either. They go back to 1931 and were meant to replace the hand tools of the day.
    Quote from Star history:
    "Reloading used simple hand tools or required expensive, cumbersome, and very large equipment, not what we'd consider sophisticated or modern reloading tools. The Star Progressive was a giant leap forward. It was/is an advanced reloading tool pre-dating O-presses, H-presses, and the turrets."

    I loaded over 250,000 rounds on one and it was still going strong when I sold it. It was the epitome of the machinists art with the fitting and machining that went into it.
     

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    Well my point was that I personally have no desire to pull levers and yank-crank tons of ammo from a machine.
    I enjoy the leisurely close contact and feel of loading each round with just the strength of my hands. I call it Accuracy Therapy that keeps me limber. Loads great rounds. And doesn't cost an arm and a leg to buy.

    Just showing an alternative to the zippidy-zing monster presses and a look back in time. The tong style loading tools date back to the 1880' s.
    Not for everyone....
     
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    Well my point was that I personally have no desire to pull levers and yank-crank tons of ammo from a machine.
    I enjoy the leisurely close contact and feel of loading each round with just the strength of my hands. I call it Accuracy Therapy that keeps me limber. Loads great rounds. And doesn't cost an arm and a leg to buy.

    Just showing an alternative to the zippidy-zing monster presses and a look back in time. The tong style loading tools date back to the 1880' s.
    Not for everyone....

    You don't have a wife and grandson who can go thru 750+ rnds of 22 in less than 2 hours. And now they're wanting to move up to 9mm. Falling plates is addictive.
     
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