2018 Midterm Results

[Charlie]

Having a "encryption system that allows voting from a personal phone", in my opinion, would devastate the voting system. A lot of people, would simply refuse to do it. We cannot rely completely on computerized systems because somebody, somewhere, can get into it and wreak havoc.

 

[Darqhelmet]

In my mind making someone go to a location and verify they are who they say they are is a big part of voting. If you can be assed to do that little bit I don’t want you voting to raise my taxes.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Hell setting the requirements to get ID to the same as getting a passport would be a HUGE step forward. We can’t even do that and you want a full encryption system that allows voting from a personal phone.

Yes, but a passport and a local ID serve different purposes.

In Crawford, SCOTUS upheld that requiring a voter to provide ID, so long as the burden is offset by the benefit.

And that’s the crux; how burdensome on the most disenfranchised (but legal) voter is too burdensome.

 

[Brains]

Having a "encryption system that allows voting from a personal phone", in my opinion, would devastate the voting system. A lot of people, would simply refuse to do it. We cannot rely completely on computerized systems because somebody, somewhere, can get into it and wreak havoc.

Someone can also "find" boxes of ballots in the back of a car. Which system is better, one that cannot be faked or falsed using the power of every computer on the planet working in tandem, or one using plain paper cards in a cardboard box? Voting by personal device would not be required - the device, in fact, becomes completely unimportant. The devices can be completely INsecure, because they're only responsible for transport of information they have no capability of interpreting.

I my mind making someone go to a location and verify they are who they say they are is a big part of voting. If you can be assed to do that little bit I don’t want you voting to raise my taxes.

Nothing preventing voting at the polls, nothing preventing a state or even local jurisdiction from enforcing a requirement for that to be the modus operandi either.

A lot of people will try to poke holes in the concept out of fear and ignorance, I get it. The truth is the current system is the one full of problems though, and no amount of "fixes" to it are going to improve it.

 

[Darqhelmet]

Baby steps. You are trying to drag race top fuel and the country is crawling. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of better.

 

[Charlie]

Hah! Computers will solve all problems and cannot be compromised. Bullshit!

 

[satx78247]

Having a "encryption system that allows voting from a personal phone", in my opinion, would devastate the voting system. A lot of people, would simply refuse to do it. We cannot rely completely on computerized systems because somebody, somewhere, can get into it and wreak havoc.

Charlie,

As a veteran Election Judge, I can tell you that ANY computer system can be HACKED & therefore we must PROHIBIT off-site voting & (imo) we need to limit absentee voting for other than the people who CANNOT get to the polls OR members of the Armed Forces OR citizens who are overseas.

yours, satx

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

All solutions and ideas are like a certain part of the human anatomy, almost everybody has one.

 

[benenglish]

Which system is better, one that cannot be faked or falsed using the power of every computer on the planet working in tandem, or one using plain paper cards in a cardboard box?

I don't know.

Sometimes problems of medium or less complexity, like voting, are best addressed with simple concepts in the analog domain. There are plenty of people who will argue that voting, given the current level of tech, public understanding, and available resources, is best done on paper.

Such systems aren't perfect but they should also be considered.

 

[Charlie]

Charlie,

As a veteran Election Judge, I can tell you that ANY computer system can be HACKED & therefore we must PROHIBIT off-site voting & (imo) we need to limit absentee voting for other than the people who CANNOT get to the polls OR members of the Armed Forces OR citizens who are overseas.

yours, satx

Thank you! That's what I was trying to say!

 

[satx78247]

To All,

I don't know about every place (obviously) but IF you don't arrive at the RSS within a reasonable amount of time after you depart the polling site, the EO will receive a phone call from the RSS to assure that you are OK & able to efficiently/quickly get to the RSS.
(In 2012, I got LOST on the way to the RSS & a staff-member came to find us & led us into that "hard to find" site. = Somewhat embarrassing but HELPFUL.)

yours, satx

 

[satx78247]

Thank you! That's what I was trying to say!

Charlie,

Here in Bexar County, our voting machines are IMPOSSIBLE to hack as they are quite primitive & not connected to anything except the other IVOTRONICS machines at the same polling place. - Also, the memory is SEALED.
(It takes a court order to open the hard memory.)

yours, satx

 

[sharkey]

Not at all what I said. I said you need a national standard Secure ID if you truly want voter fraud stopped. If every state is doing its own thing you’re screwed.

Well this better explains it but you are not gonna eliminate voter fraud. We can lower it and we can prosecute more for it but it will always be there. We are back at the National ID thing which is never gonna fly. What you CAN do is create a national standard to vote in which each voter must show an approved state ID and THEN get CA in line. States still have ability to govern themselves with federal law.
Once again, presenting some form of acceptable ID is one way to lower voter fraud but nothing is 100% successful.

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[Southpaw]

Non-Citizens Voting in Texas? "We got TONS of them" Says Election Official on Undercover Video

Project Vertitas

 

[sharkey]

No ID at all for whom? People here illegally? Sure- one that's very clearly marked to signify they have no right to vote, to be employed, or to receive any public assistance until they at least start the process of citizenship.

The other issue is visa holders... they may need a DL while they are here- again, should be very clearly marked with their immigration status, and expire the same time their visa does.

But those things will never happen in states where one of the parties needs their votes... they'll claim it puts a "stigma" on them. That's a social issue, but should not be addressed by breaking a civil issue.

I think we both agree that illegals should not be voting, hence my reply that voters should present some type of acceptable ID.

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[sharkey]

I say we implant everyone with a chip! There, that'll fix it! (sarcasm, in case you needed help in identifying it)

Oh, that is coming. Haven't you been watching American Horror Story?

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[satx78247]

To All,

ONE thing that would FIX many problems with the poll lists is auditing the voter rolls at least every five years.
(In 2011, our county in VA decided to audit 10 precincts at random to see how many errors that there were in each precinct.= We EOs found that an average of 12% had died, about 8% were still registered but did NOT reside in the selected precincts & 2% were INELGIBLE to vote.)
In other words, ONE FIFTH of the selected precinct poll lists were WRONG.
(We further discovered that about ONE THIRD of the DEAD had voted in elections after their passing.)

yours, satx

 

[Kar98]

Having a "encryption system that allows voting from a personal phone", in my opinion, would devastate the voting system. A lot of people, would simply refuse to do it. We cannot rely completely on computerized systems because somebody, somewhere, can get into it and wreak havoc.

There would be such a huge outcry from the advocates of the poor and stupid...

 

[Brains]

Wow. The ignorance.

FWIW - The iVotronic has a well known history as one of the MOST VULNERABLE and has been repeatedly compromised.

 

[benenglish]

Voting methods and tech are a fascinating topic. Worth another thread?