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  • F350-6

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    I spoke with my buddy today. He's still drafting a letter that may or may not do anything. Unfortunately he's asked me not to reveal the name of the County or the Sheriff and I will abide by his wishes.

    Tell your buddy, whatever he decides to do, the rest of us would at least like to know the county for our own travel information.
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    sharkey

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    Are you saying that you can tell the difference somehow? It should never happen?

    Nope, You mentioned fake cops and my reply should be taken for what it is. You are adding to much into it. IF you get stopped by a fake cop, you are probably gonna get jacked is what I am saying. He chose you for a reason. Nothing is 100% but some of the fake cop stories going around, yeah there were some anomalies. I would think your chances are pretty slim since fake cops don't happen very often. I would spend time worrying about something else.
     

    Inspector43

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    Nope, You mentioned fake cops and my reply should be taken for what it is. You are adding to much into it. IF you get stopped by a fake cop, you are probably gonna get jacked is what I am saying. He chose you for a reason. Nothing is 100% but some of the fake cop stories going around, yeah there were some anomalies. I would think your chances are pretty slim since fake cops don't happen very often. I would spend time worrying about something else.
    Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking that I may have missed something. No offense intended.
     

    digger

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    I haven't followed this whole thread but sounds like this sheriff/county policy is to "register all firearms" passing thru their jurisdiction. Maybe the registration is being shared state/national??? The "stolen" check just doesn't hold water!!!
     

    diesel1959

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    I haven't followed this whole thread but sounds like this sheriff/county policy is to "register all firearms" passing thru their jurisdiction. Maybe the registration is being shared state/national??? The "stolen" check just doesn't hold water!!!
    "checking stolen" through TCIC/NCIC does not establish a "registration", either locally, or in the state, or nationally. The Dispatcher on duty runs the serial number on the computer terminal at their work station and it either comes up "CLEAR" or "STOLEN". If it comes back stolen, then the case information (case number, department where the report was filed, item description, and contact information for the detective assigned, etc., comes up so that the dispatcher can inform the officer on the stop, and the officer can take the action to confiscate the firearm so that it can be returned to the rightful owner (and so that the possessor can be placed in custody and charged with a crime). If the item is clear, then the dispatcher clears the screen and the whole thing is gone to the ether. The officer is advised and the item is returned to the driver.

    I think there's a basic lack of understanding about what happens when a serialized item is reported "stolen" to a police department and what the detective does with that information.
     

    digger

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    "checking stolen" through TCIC/NCIC does not establish a "registration", either locally, or in the state, or nationally. The Dispatcher on duty runs the serial number on the computer terminal at their work station and it either comes up "CLEAR" or "STOLEN". If it comes back stolen, then the case information (case number, department where the report was filed, item description, and contact information for the detective assigned, etc., comes up so that the dispatcher can inform the officer on the stop, and the officer can take the action to confiscate the firearm so that it can be returned to the rightful owner (and so that the possessor can be placed in custody and charged with a crime). If the item is clear, then the dispatcher clears the screen and the whole thing is gone to the ether. The officer is advised and the item is returned to the driver.

    I think there's a basic lack of understanding about what happens when a serialized item is reported "stolen" to a police department and what the detective does with that information.

    Give me a break!!
    And what is the dispatcher doing with that information?? How hard is it to create a local date base digital/hard copy and share with who??
    Think outside the box...nothing is as it seems in reality.
     

    diesel1959

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    Give me a break!!
    And what is the dispatcher doing with that information?? How hard is it to create a local date base digital/hard copy and share with who??
    Think outside the box...nothing is as it seems in reality.
    It.
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    Happen.





    Are you wearing tin foil right now? LOL
     

    sharkey

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    Why Not?? This whole thread is about a "maybe rogue" SO on a mission?
    Who are you to determine what his dispatcher is doing??
    Just wondering.....
    Well from past history, the dispatchers are eating and talking thrash about a certain officer. Maybe preparing for which one they are gonna bone.

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    oldag

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    I asked what environment that worked for you and you post this. So from your post, you have had a violator who copped an attitude and you defused it by being polite? It can be done but most often not. The scenarios are the same. If you don't want to answer, just say so.

    I didn't have to justify my attitude at all. I got Recruit Officer of the Year, I was a FTO for 3 years. I wrote a lesson plan for dealing with CHL holders. I then spent a decade helping Prosecutors sending some POSs to prison. Someone with a chip on their shoulder, who is a thug, and has anger issues usually doesn't accomplish that.
    I had a Sgt. Ask me what I said to a neighbor who was way too nosey when he called to complain on me. I told the Sgt. Exactly what I said and it was very impolite. The Sgt. States that is what he said you said, carry on. Now that was mid 90s and today I would be suspended for that. Times have changed and you get the policing you ask for. Good luck with that.

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    Yep, you are the perfect cop and the perfect person. You and you alone know the right and best way to treat people.

    You are the only person in the world who has had to face an angry person.

    We bow down before your perfection.
     

    sharkey

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    Yep, you are the perfect cop and the perfect person. You and you alone know the right and best way to treat people.

    You are the only person in the world who has had to face an angry person.

    We bow down before your perfection.

    I asked a simple Q (twice) and you still don't answer it but respond with sarcasm. I guess I touched a nerve. It's like me telling my dentist how to fill a cavity because well I've had a cavity before. I still get amazed at how stubborn some folks on a forum can be and the hostility towards LE. It's a lot easier to say, "Hey you might be right because I have never been in that situation. Thanks for explaining a different perspective I didn't know about." Nope, just easier to be a *ick.
     

    pharmaco

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    Is this thread still drifting?
    That's twice that you've used the "you must be an expert in order to criticize something" fallacy.
    It's just not true.
    You don't have to be a Michelin starred chef to realize that McDonalds is low quality food.
    You don't have to be an expert artist to see that drunk housewives getting together in a room in a strip mall on a Saturday to paint the same picture isn't top quality fine art.
    I could go on.

    Also, you seem to be under the impression that getting away with things is a validation of those actions.

    If a guy goes out and drives home with a .14 BAC every weekend but is never pulled over and never crashes, should he then think, "everyone who criticizes me is a moron. I'm a great driver"?

    Anyone who actually knows me is well aware I am pro law enforcement. Being pro cop doesn't make me anti-armed citizen. My best friend was stopped for his rear license plate not being readable in the middle of nowhere in East TX. He informed the deputy he was carrying and produced his DL, LTC, and proof of insurance. The deputy disarmed him and went back to his unit to check the gun for stolen. All was in order and he was released to go about his business.

    I called the sheriff and asked how my buddy was deemed to jeopardize the safety of himself or the deputy. The only answer He would give me is my buddy was armed and that was reason enough. His policy was to check the firearms of every detained LTC holder and check for stolen.

    The sheriff and I had some choice words even after I read him Texas GC 411.207. I spoke with a program attorney who verified my understanding of the statute. My buddies only recourse is to file a complaint with the Texas AG.

    In my buddy's defense he did everything the deputy told him to do and there was no conflict on the side of the road. I hope he does file a complaint. At the end of the day the sheriff thinks he's right and I know he's wrong. What do I win? View attachment 151912

    Let's say a "troublemaker" patriot like Matefrio intentionally refused to show the LTC or fork over the weapon (for ease of argument, let's say it's in a locked steel box on his hip and he doesn't have the key).

    What happens then?

    What if the LEO decides to teach him a lesson?
     

    Lunyfringe

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    Yeah, I'm just going to to try and be a voice of reason...

    You're both right, and a little wrong.

    It depends on the situation, and we're ALL imagining the worst situation when we read something on the internet.

    I've read both sides, and can see each of your points, when viewed from the same "angle".

    Stop trying to argue and find a way to agree... or just shut the **** up.

    Just my take, feel free to jump all over me for it.
     
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