My "first" polymer/striker pistol

[Charlie]

Get an HK P7M8 and be done with it!

 

[DD130]

Get an HK P7M8 and be done with it!

ROFL... cheap and easy to find!

 

[Charlie]

I had one that was hard chromed with Nill grips back in the early 90s. My foot hurts quite often when I think about having sold it and I'm trying to kick my own ass!

 

[HKaltwasser]

Oh, that's right, I changed away from my Walther avatar for the holidays.

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Pick up a P5 and change it back! . I heard some dude has one in the for sale section...ha. Yep, it looks like all you need is a P5, P1 and a P88.

 

[DD130]

I had one that was hard chromed with Nill grips back in the early 90s. My foot hurts quite often when I think about having sold it and I'm trying to kick my own ass!

AAARRRGGG...

 

[TheMailMan]

If you want to come out to Terrell I'll let you shoot my Canik TP9SFx. I've had Glocks, and XD pistols and the Canik is the best I've shot. It really feels like a 1911 in the hand and the factory trigger is better than most "upgraded" Glock triggers.

 

[phoenix]

All are pretty good. CZ is pretty nice. The glocks are great if you dont have an issue with their grip angle compared to most other pistols. The m&p line has come a LONG WAY

 

[DD130]

...I’ll probably be adding an FN or a Canik ...

I had a couple of FNS-9s, didn't last long with me. I kept getting my hand pinched on mag changes on the compact. I have too many things to choose from to keep guns that piss me off.




I do, however, still have my Canik TP9SFL. IMHO, the trigger is one of the best in the striker fired world (I think the VP9 is better though), and vastly superior to any Glock I've owned or fired, and I cost me.. I think $375 new on sale at Cabellas. You can find them online for less and even cheaper used at the gun show (I almost picked up a TP9SF for $280 a couple months back).

 

[BuzzinSATX]

I did not like what I was reading about the Glock but the nails in the coffin was the actual live fire test of it.

The sights while functional were not what I found to be efficient or practical for their intended use. Had the sights been the only issue with the pistol I would have immediately replaced them upon buying it.

The ergonomics on the Glock was so inferior that *every* single pistol of similar size that I have shot in the past exceeded what I experienced with the Glock. In particular the ergonomics of the Beretta 92 and CZ-75 series of pistols were light years ahead of the Glock.

The trigger was a huge disappointment. The fundamental feel and tactile feedback that I get from a steel trigger was completely absent from the plastic trigger. I think I had a better trigger on the light gun with my old Nintendo Entertainment System then what I experienced with the Glock.

In addition I wish that there was a type of polymer that was more denser and in turn added a bit more weight to the pistol. I general I find the pistol to be too light and I would prefer it to be heavier.

Some folks just don’t “get” Glock’s, and that’s fine. But all your arguments are personal preference based on your biases. This isn’t a negative statement, just a matter of fact. Im sure you developed your likes over time, and that’s okay.

But Glocks are supposed to be...

Consistent
Reliable
Interchangeable
Inexpensive
Durable
Combat ready out of the box
Versatile
High capacity
Easy to learn manual of arms
Safe

And pretty much more than ANY other brand of firearm, they have a long term proven track record for all these attributes. Nothing else really compares...not BHP. 1911 and Cz75 are proven platforms but don’t meet all those attributes.

Other new striker fire handguns are certainly close in many ways but still fall short in others.

A Glock trigger is a Glock trigger. It’s drop safe and works reliably through brutal torture. And if you want to “improve” it, you can...pretty simple.

You want a heavier gun, but the beat cop with a full utility belt or soldier humping kit over terrain doesn’t...nor do I, a simple CHL carrier.

You don’t like the way it points. Got it. But is that based on conditioning with 1911’s? Maybe. Maybe it’s ergos, but that can be corrected through deliberate training. Not saying you should, just that you could.

Glock sites are a joke. I have always believed if Glock simply replaced their cheap plastic sights with their cheap ($10) metal sights, they would kill off half the arguments that revolve around durability. But I’ve seen lots of old Glocks with original sights....still, I do replace all mine.

So your points are all valid...no doubt...and it’s your money, choice, and preferences. All I’m saying is when you really understand what a Glock pistol is....a bottom up pistol designed by a plastics engineer to be cheap to make and endure battlefield operations, you appreciate the design and concept, even if you don’t choose to own it.

Much like a basic, WWII era, rack grade 1911 (not a current 1911)

Good discussion from some 1911 guys on Glocks...




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[easy rider]

Any gun you use in protection of your life should be personal choice. I certainly wouldn't carry a gun I didn't like to use, I don't want any doubts.

I owned a Glock and carried it for awhile, and personally, it's not for me, no matter what attributes it has. I tell people, if they can, try many types and see what works best for themselves. Although I may not care for a Glock, if it works for you, great.

 

[Sam7sf]

Also consider finding a cheap pistol that fits you, has an ok trigger, and is reliable. Like a ruger 9e that I payed 300 out the door for. Consider the cops could take said gun and while in a justifiable shooting you will get it back, many horror stories of how they come back damaged. Cheap pistol you don’t care about is a good choice

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Just my personal opinion, but I'd rather lose a not so cheap gun, than bet my life on one.

 

[Kar98]

Obviously I wouldn't carry a Borchardt or Luger, but suggesting to carry a cheap pistol just in case you might need it is as silly as driving a Yugo in case you have an accident. If it saves my life I'd consider the money well spent, even if I never get it back.

 

[TheMailMan]

Some folks just don’t “get” Glock’s, and that’s fine. But all your arguments are personal preference based on your biases. This isn’t a negative statement, just a matter of fact. Im sure you developed your likes over time, and that’s okay.

But Glocks are supposed to be...

Consistent
Reliable
Interchangeable
Inexpensive
Durable
Combat ready out of the box
Versatile
High capacity
Easy to learn manual of arms
Safe

And pretty much more than ANY other brand of firearm, they have a long term proven track record for all these attributes. Nothing else really compares...not BHP. 1911 and Cz75 are proven platforms but don’t meet all those attributes.

Other new striker fire handguns are certainly close in many ways but still fall short in others.

A Glock trigger is a Glock trigger. It’s drop safe and works reliably through brutal torture. And if you want to “improve” it, you can...pretty simple.

You want a heavier gun, but the beat cop with a full utility belt or soldier humping kit over terrain doesn’t...nor do I, a simple CHL carrier.

You don’t like the way it points. Got it. But is that based on conditioning with 1911’s? Maybe. Maybe it’s ergos, but that can be corrected through deliberate training. Not saying you should, just that you could.

Glock sites are a joke. I have always believed if Glock simply replaced their cheap plastic sights with their cheap ($10) metal sights, they would kill off half the arguments that revolve around durability. But I’ve seen lots of old Glocks with original sights....still, I do replace all mine.

So your points are all valid...no doubt...and it’s your money, choice, and preferences. All I’m saying is when you really understand what a Glock pistol is....a bottom up pistol designed by a plastics engineer to be cheap to make and endure battlefield operations, you appreciate the design and concept, even if you don’t choose to own it.

Much like a basic, WWII era, rack grade 1911 (not a current 1911)

Good discussion from some 1911 guys on Glocks...




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Glocks aren't so inexpensive any more.

 

[BuzzinSATX]

Glocks aren't so inexpensive any more.

Compared to what? I can buy new Glocks for $550 all day long. Cheapest? Nope. But what other combat/LEO proven handgun with that many total “gun years” of recorded use will you find for that price?

You can not compare the track record of Glock to the track record of any other brand...or can you?




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[Kar98]

You can not compare the track record of Glock to the track record of any other brand...or can you?

Why couldn't you?

 

[Sam7sf]

Just my personal opinion, but I'd rather lose a not so cheap gun, than bet my life on one.

So you wouldn’t trust a cheap Glock police trade in? Or an mp trade in? My advice did cover reliability lol. So that you know, eliminates a good chunk of handguns I would not recommend.

 

[Texasgordo]

I've bought lots of LEO trade-in guns and have never had a issue. Used 3rd gen Smiths and revolvers, used Glocks plus a couple used Sigs.

I'm not saying that there are no turds out there but I've had good luck.

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[ZX9RCAM]

So you wouldn’t trust a cheap Glock police trade in? Or an mp trade in? My advice did cover reliability lol. So that you know, eliminates a good chunk of handguns I would not recommend.

You are correct, when you said cheap, I wasn't thinking actual value, I was thinking cheap guns. I reckon there is a difference.

 

[DD130]

Any gun you use in protection of your life should be personal choice. I certainly wouldn't carry a gun I didn't like to use, I don't want any doubts.

I owned a Glock and carried it for awhile, and personally, it's not for me, no matter what attributes it has. I tell people, if they can, try many types and see what works best for themselves. Although I may not care for a Glock, if it works for you, great.

The number of guns I bought this year that seemed like they would be good for me, but after a few trips to the range.. got re-sold is not a small count. I'm still getting a metal DA/SA SIG here and there but.. if I keep any of them it will be for novelty or ability for friends to see if they like them... I can't operate them reliably so they'll never be in my self defense rotation. I spend A LOT of money I know I shouldn't have to try and find what works for me. Not sure if renting would have saved me much.. I sorta had to live with them.. run a few pistol matches to really know if they were for me. YGMV. Sorta like a date.. personal preference is pretty important.