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  • satx78247

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    Dear Jon,

    I know all about Texas gun laws, their history, and their evolution.

    Remember I am a retired University of Texas Professor.

    Texas laws are a long tortured history of the unintended consequences of do-good'ers in office and of the universal law of unintended consequences.

    Even though I retired to next door Louisiana, which financed and supplied the then new 1936-37 Republic of Texas, and which never had any anti-OC laws, I rarely OC, as stated in prior posts on this thread.

    Besides weren't we discussing the advisability of the two styles, not the laws?

    leVieux

    leVieux,

    As a "former denizen" of the 40 Acres, I have more than a little trouble believing that ANY pro-2nd Amendment scholar was hired, much less retired, at UT-Austin since I was an entering Freshman in 1965-66.
    (Even in the early 1970s, when I was briefly a doctoral candidate, I was often "snarled at" by professors when wearing my Class A Army uniform.)

    yours, satx
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    I'm firm in the knowledge that once back these 'smug marxist dilettantes' would become militant Capitalists.

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    Because I've seen it before.

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    Jon Payne

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    Dear Jon,

    I know all about Texas gun laws, their history, and their evolution.

    Remember I am a retired University of Texas Professor.

    Texas laws are a long tortured history of the unintended consequences of do-good'ers in office and of the universal law of unintended consequences.

    Even though I retired to next door Louisiana, which financed and supplied the then new 1936-37 Republic of Texas, and which never had any anti-OC laws, I rarely OC, as stated in prior posts on this thread.

    Besides weren't we discussing the advisability of the two styles, not the laws?

    leVieux

    UT???? I thought you were educated!


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    Jon Payne

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    Could you not imagine that a knowledgeable, educated person may disagree with you ? leVieux

    If you're claiming concealed carry contributed to the ban of open and concealed carry you're neither knowledgeable nor educated.


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    Before the late Nineteenth Century, OC was extremely common throughout Texas, the South, and virtually all of the USA.

    Try to view some historical photos to see the prevalence of weapons.

    There were few or no "gun laws". Even in places like England, pistols were sold at hardware stores, no "paperwork" or permit required.

    History tells that, while many routinely also CC'd, the practice was viewed by the antis of the day as underhanded or sneaky. If everyone had a .44 Colt on their belt, why would anyone want to CC? I don't agree, but that was their idea some 130 or 140 years ago.

    Some towns experienced much weekend violence, so temporary "gun confiscation" programs were instituted locally, in attempts to convert gunfights into fistfights.

    However, men began concealing in order to avoid confiscations, which ultimately led to the laws.

    Eventually (and unfortunately) Texas took the then-unique position of banning ALL handgun carry under most circumstances. Again, view photos of the era from 1880 to 1940 to see how universally ignored and non-enforced this was.

    WWII produced a new "breed" of Man-Citizen, who had been conditioned to obey orders from above; which finally allowed the then 50 or 60 year-old laws to be enforced, at least in Texas' urban areas.

    One may well argue about those laws' effectiveness, advisibilty, unintended consequences, or other aspects; but their historical origins area matter of RECORD.

    Sadly, the non-effectiveness of the laws, as compared to neighboring states, which did not have the same laws, has taken the Texas Legislature a century-and-half to recognize and act on.

    Recent timid steps re ending handgun prohibitions were caused by the anti's great grandchildren's continued ignorance and intransigence.

    So, argue, rant, name-call as you will; I will not respond again here, in keeping with my long-term policy of not arguing with idiots.

    leVieux
     

    BillFairbanks

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    Here’s an article about the history of Texas gun laws

    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...-open-carry-Texas-could-be-one-of-5974401.php

    It was the Reconstruction Republican legislator who passed the law in response to violence from unreconstructed Rebels (i.e. Cpt. Bob Lee, Ben Bickerstaff, Cullen Baker).

    On behalf of my gg-Uncle, Cullen Baker, sorry about that.

    When the Democrats took back control, they chose selective enforcement instead of changing the law.


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    Jon Payne

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    Before the late Nineteenth Century, OC was extremely common throughout Texas, the South, and virtually all of the USA.

    Try to view some historical photos to see the prevalence of weapons.

    There were few or no "gun laws". Even in places like England, pistols were sold at hardware stores, no "paperwork" or permit required.

    History tells that, while many routinely also CC'd, the practice was viewed by the antis of the day as underhanded or sneaky. If everyone had a .44 Colt on their belt, why would anyone want to CC? I don't agree, but that was their idea some 130 or 140 years ago.

    Some towns experienced much weekend violence, so temporary "gun confiscation" programs were instituted locally, in attempts to convert gunfights into fistfights.

    However, men began concealing in order to avoid confiscations, which ultimately led to the laws.

    Eventually (and unfortunately) Texas took the then-unique position of banning ALL handgun carry under most circumstances. Again, view photos of the era from 1880 to 1940 to see how universally ignored and non-enforced this was.

    WWII produced a new "breed" of Man-Citizen, who had been conditioned to obey orders from above; which finally allowed the then 50 or 60 year-old laws to be enforced, at least in Texas' urban areas.

    One may well argue about those laws' effectiveness, advisibilty, unintended consequences, or other aspects; but their historical origins area matter of RECORD.

    Sadly, the non-effectiveness of the laws, as compared to neighboring states, which did not have the same laws, has taken the Texas Legislature a century-and-half to recognize and act on.

    Recent timid steps re ending handgun prohibitions were caused by the anti's great grandchildren's continued ignorance and intransigence.

    So, argue, rant, name-call as you will; I will not respond again here, in keeping with my long-term policy of not arguing with idiots.

    leVieux
    I'm so happy you find the bravery to call others idiots in this forum. The Gun Laws in Texas were a result of the Civil War and Reconstruction as stated above by BillFairbanks. All your conjecture and opinion is just that. I can see how you failed your students.
     

    satx78247

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    BRD@66,

    Methinks that our "UT Prof" is a DIMocRAT in sheep's clothing.
    (Even though I'm an Orangeblood through & through, I cannot remember a CONSERVATIVE prof at The 40 Acres since I was an undergraduate.)

    Btw, I can hardly wait for the SUGAR BOWL game.

    yours, satx
     

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    BRD@66,

    Methinks that our "UT Prof" is a DIMocRAT in sheep's clothing.
    (Even though I'm an Orangeblood through & through, I cannot remember a CONSERVATIVE prof at The 40 Acres since I was an undergraduate.)

    Btw, I can hardly wait for the SUGAR BOWL game.

    yours, satx

    I had some conservative professors at UT...in my ROTC classes...
     
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