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    They’re been making that “autopilot” garbage for trains. It works decently well but not only will it replace jobs, you’d have a program running all the trains. An ethanol bomb run through your city next to your children’s school, a 44 million pound rock train going down hill towards your house or a train made up of chlorine and anhydrous ammonia passing through downtown cities. Thanks technology...
    Humans should be supervising such dangerous machines, I trust an untrustworthy human than any such automation.
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    Orbie

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    Humans should be supervising such dangerous machines, I trust an untrustworthy human than any such automation.

    We’re still up there on the power but you better believe that the railroad would like to go to one man crews. I feel that one day trains won’t have anyone on them. It comes down to bottom dollar and computers can be programmed to be more efficient, never get tired and don’t call in sick.
     

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    One of the coolest semi's I ever saw, was one that worked more like a locomotive. It had a gas-turbine engine that powered a massive battery pack that then drove huge electric motors. The turbine was for long haul stuff, and the battery-only worked great for in town. The turbine never drove anything directly beyond the generator. Saw it at an automotive warehouse/condo complex called Club Autosport.

    I think this is the company that showed us the demo truck.:

    https://www.wrightspeed.com/

    Thought it was interesting.. and it of course sounds awesome with the turbine screaming away.. :D
    That is similar to big construction equipment like they use in mines. The really big stuff.

    Diesel fuel runs a generator that powers electric motors at the wheels. There is no transmission.

    Last I heard the biggest front end loader in the world ran 16,000 hp. It has a 4,000 hp electric motor at each tire.

    The technology isn't new but the applications are expanding.
     

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    We’re still up there on the power but you better believe that the railroad would like to go to one man crews. I feel that one day trains won’t have anyone on them. It comes down to bottom dollar and computers can be programmed to be more efficient, never get tired and don’t call in sick.
    Yeah, I get that, I've been in the software industry for... uh.. a long time. But I also how error and bug prone so many of these systems are when it comes to an exception event, I still think only a Human can solve some problems reliably.

    Maybe I'm just too old, and too many years hands on, to trust technology. :/
     

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    Yeah, I get that, I've been in the software industry for... uh.. a long time. But I also how error and bug prone so many of these systems are when it comes to an exception event, I still think only a Human can solve some problems reliably.

    Maybe I'm just too old, and too many years hands on, to trust technology. :/

    Like the self driving Teslas that have crashed and killed people. Can’t be fully relied on.
     

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    ...when it comes to an exception event, I still think only a Human can solve some problems reliably.
    :/

    Even human failure modes are imperfect and unreliable.

    Technology like this performs in the area of ‘known knowns’ and ‘known unknowns’.

    AI/learning systems can branch into the ‘unknown knowns’, but that’s it for now.

    ETA: add to it the trolley problem, which, when it occurs, results in whatever decision the human designed logic tree allows or prevents, regardless of the ethics behind that decision.
     

    Younggun

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    Like the self driving Teslas that have crashed and killed people. Can’t be fully relied on.

    To be fair, Tesla states that it is a driving assist. Not a self driving car. They do not recommend using it in a lot of situations and also tell drivers to remain vigilant.


    It’s not meant to be fully relied on while you lean the seat back and take a nap.


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    HKShooter65

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    The autopilot feature is badass.

    Just a matter of time till the technology matures.

    Peculiar emotions are involved.
    Every hour of our lives, on average an American dies in an alcohol related auto accident and we scarcely notice unless it affects us. If one individual a month died in an auto-pilot auto there would be in incredible damning outcry.

    Lots of ethical issues too. Should the auto-pilot vehicle be programmed to swerve to miss three adults in the road if it then runs over one child on the sidewalk? Was reading an article about German Mercedes working on just those ethical issues in their programming.

    Just a matter of tech advancement.
     

    1911'S 4 Me

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    It’s not meant to be fully relied on while you lean the seat back and take a nap.

    Then it will never go over in the 'hood.
     

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    The self driving part is incredibly complex if one intends to work at a very high percentage of reliability.
     

    majormadmax

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    Like the self driving Teslas that have crashed and killed people. Can’t be fully relied on.

    To be honest, driver driven cars have been crashing and killing people regularly for quite some time now...

    The technology isn't perfect, but it will quickly become safer than human drivers.

    The first completely autopiloted transatlantic flight, including takeoff and landing, was made in a USAF C-54 transport plane in 1947. Ships have been using the technology since the early 1920s. It's just a matter of time...
     

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    oldag

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    To be honest, driver driven cars have been crashing and killing people regularly for quite some time now...

    The technology isn't perfect, but it will quickly become safer than human drivers.

    The first completely autopiloted transatlantic flight, including takeoff and landing, was made in a USAF C-54 transport plane in 1947. Ships have been using the technology since the early 1920s. It's just a matter of time...

    Valid points.

    All the same, I will keep driving my own car.
     

    Big Green

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    As far as autopilot and self driving cars I saw a show discussing the requirements to infrastructure. Things like well marked roads and things are vital. What about all the back roads? And not just in Texas, obviously even places like California have them and what are they going to do when they start mandating cars? I always laugh when someone trying to sell the concept says that by 20XX, XX% of all cars will be self driving. I guess that makes sense to you if you never leave New England or California. I think it will be a difficult technology to implement in the fly over states.
     

    Tex62

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    Valid points.

    All the same, I will keep driving my own car.

    What folks here don’t get is at some point government will mandate this for safety. This will drive up costs and limit your freedom. Especially if you can no longer afford to drive.


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