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  • Renegade

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    I saw the video before it was obliterated from the internet. It is one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen

    Then I suggest you not watch any 9/11 video where people were so desperate to get away from the heat they jumped, or the video of FDNY inside WTC and all of the thuds and splat from the people who jumped landing nearby, because the NZ shooting was a road runner cartoon compared to that.
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    a single, handgun armed person with their wits about them could have ended it within the first three minutes
    I disagree. A single, handgun armed person with their wits about them could have ended it before the bad guy got off his first shot. He literally walked up the front parking lot decked out with a rifle, reloads, and a shotgun in his hands. He moved at a normal walking pace and was pretty deliberate about firing the first shot.

    If any of the men in the doorway had been armed, they could have seen his approach, identified the threat, and neutralized it in the 11 seconds the shooter was visible, walking straight up to the front door, before he fired his first shot.

    How many people here could hit a man-sized target at ~20 feet if you had 11 seconds to prepare and get off one good shot?
     

    Renegade

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    I disagree. A single, handgun armed person with their wits about them could have ended it before the bad guy got off his first shot. He literally walked up the front parking lot decked out with a rifle, reloads, and a shotgun in his hands. He moved at a normal walking pace and was pretty deliberate about firing the first shot.

    If any of the men in the doorway had been armed, they could have seen his approach, identified the threat, and neutralized it in the 11 seconds the shooter was visible, walking straight up to the front door, before he fired his first shot.

    A simple lookout standing by frontgate could have saved most of the folks.
     

    deemus

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    I disagree. A single, handgun armed person with their wits about them could have ended it before the bad guy got off his first shot. He literally walked up the front parking lot decked out with a rifle, reloads, and a shotgun in his hands. He moved at a normal walking pace and was pretty deliberate about firing the first shot.

    If any of the men in the doorway had been armed, they could have seen his approach, identified the threat, and neutralized it in the 11 seconds the shooter was visible, walking straight up to the front door, before he fired his first shot.

    How many people here could hit a man-sized target at ~20 feet if you had 11 seconds to prepare and get off one good shot?

    My church recently had a special event. The pastor announced what was about to happen. And specifically said "you people who are carrying guns, this is planned. So don't shoot anybody."

    I giggled.
     
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    Books can be wordy because they are, well, books. Videos should be different. Unfortunately, nobody told this guy.

    At the 6-minute mark the narrator decided that reciting the Gettysburg Address, in full, was a reasonable way to introduce the video, promising to cover the story "in a brief time frame." I laughed out loud at that one.

    Yeah, maybe he is able to reasonably hypothesize that Podesta was responsible for the New Zealand shooting. I doubt it but maybe.

    He can't get to actually talking about the news until he spends more than ten minutes rambling, even explaining the symbolism of the graphic he displays during his rambling. Then, he starts talking about how there may have been a shooting. Maybe. He actually says he has a video of the way the shooting was faked but he's been shadow-banned from Twitter so, of course, he can't actually show it to anyone right now because, I guess, there are no alternative media outlets that would not censor.

    He claims he'll release the video later in the week. Yeah, really.

    Then he goes into nice, off-handed descriptions of heads being chopped off.

    Then the majority of his discussion is a bunch of chan screenshots with careful analysis. Remind me...How much analysis does any chan post deserve?

    Then he reads some Trump tweets and misreads parts of it, then goes with explaining the code involved in how many ellipsis marks Trump uses. Seriously - the guy says that ellipsis marks in Trump tweets are a code.

    When he finally gets to the analysis of the shooting at ~38 minutes in, he immediately makes a couple of factual errors that anyone who has seen the video can identify.

    I bailed.

    Whoever this Q-Anon movement is, I don't think it's worth my time to figure out. I've been down chan-based rabbit holes before back when I had too much time on my hands and found them amusing.

    If he releases video of the rehearsal for the attack proving it was all a hoax, feel free to post back. Otherwise, I suggest to my fellow TGT denizens that the video isn't worth the time commitment.

    Not by a long shot.
    I don't recall reading NZ's outrage & horror regarding our own nutcase mass murders, or those in other countries like France.....but the msm & NZ will use this as an excuse to knock guns, because it's all about guns, not nutcases.......


    Didn't hear about the Christian church bombing at all with many killed and 80 wounded. The video just describes what is being down round the world without any news coverage.

    Why is the coroner keeping the bodies so long, when Muslims bury in 24 hours, when ID should be easy and cause of death known?
     

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    I truly believe that most people who push these crazy narratives do so knowing that most people will not actually check to see if their “facts” are actual factual.

    Much like after the Vegas shooting when a guy claimed he used the videos sound to “prove” multiple shooters. Anyone without knowledge on the subject would eat it up, but it was all hokum. Same with the vids claiming an M60 was used based on fire rates and using a short audio clip while ignoring that the fire rate varied constantly.

    Sadly, the more drawn out and convoluted these theories get, the less likely anyone is to sort through them. It’s like digging through a pile of manure to prove there’s no gold in it.


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    You didn't happen to see the videos of the Las Vegas police station control and some of the wounded at ambulances that talked about the wounds being from a pellet gun? There was also a video demonstrating a pellet gun with a 200 round belt feed magazine.
     

    cherok2e

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    Exactly. Which is why any kind of threatening play acting should not be done these days.

    This description doesn't quite equate with what was in the video and explained in the video clip analyzing done in the video in this thread by GoodDog.


    Shaun Ragland 12 hours ago
    Although I don't at all disagree about the NZ shooting being a [FF] staged event (I saw
    the video before it was taken down), I don't believe the number of shots is a
    factor. They make 30,32,40 and 60 round P-mags. The 30, 32 & 40 round mags
    look pretty similar in length and it's hard to tell the difference at first
    glance. I've had the unfortunate experience of being in a room
    "AFTER" a group of insurgents were shot to shit. The amount of blood
    is unimaginable, it's on the floors, walls and ceilings as well as bone frags,
    tissue and brain matter being everywhere ! Have you ever noticed with the
    majority of these shootings IE; Sandy Hook, Stoneman Douglas, Las Vegas etc...
    with all of the high tech surveillance cameras, they never seem to be able to
    provide even a single still frame image of the shooter actually holding a weapon
    ???? Hmmmm ? The shooting [FF] that really blows me away in their lack of a
    believable story has to be Sandy Hook. They want us to believe that an autistic
    retard shot and killed 26 people and didn't "wound" anybody in an all
    concrete floored, tin can stud and drywall building., .223 & .556 rounds
    are high speed, highly fragmentable rounds that virtually explode whether they
    hit concrete or drywall. If this were a real shooting, somebody, somewhere in
    that building would have caught a frag and been wounded but not killed !
     

    TxStetson

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    Books can be wordy because they are, well, books. Videos should be different. Unfortunately, nobody told this guy.

    At the 6-minute mark the narrator decided that reciting the Gettysburg Address, in full, was a reasonable way to introduce the video, promising to cover the story "in a brief time frame." I laughed out loud at that one.

    Yeah, maybe he is able to reasonably hypothesize that Podesta was responsible for the New Zealand shooting. I doubt it but maybe.

    He can't get to actually talking about the news until he spends more than ten minutes rambling, even explaining the symbolism of the graphic he displays during his rambling. Then, he starts talking about how there may have been a shooting. Maybe. He actually says he has a video of the way the shooting was faked but he's been shadow-banned from Twitter so, of course, he can't actually show it to anyone right now because, I guess, there are no alternative media outlets that would not censor.

    He claims he'll release the video later in the week. Yeah, really.

    Then he goes into nice, off-handed descriptions of heads being chopped off.

    Then the majority of his discussion is a bunch of chan screenshots with careful analysis. Remind me...How much analysis does any chan post deserve?

    Then he reads some Trump tweets and misreads parts of it, then goes with explaining the code involved in how many ellipsis marks Trump uses. Seriously - the guy says that ellipsis marks in Trump tweets are a code.

    When he finally gets to the analysis of the shooting at ~38 minutes in, he immediately makes a couple of factual errors that anyone who has seen the video can identify.

    I bailed.

    Whoever this Q-Anon movement is, I don't think it's worth my time to figure out. I've been down chan-based rabbit holes before back when I had too much time on my hands and found them amusing.

    If he releases video of the rehearsal for the attack proving it was all a hoax, feel free to post back. Otherwise, I suggest to my fellow TGT denizens that the video isn't worth the time commitment.

    Not by a long shot.
    Thanks for saving us all an hour and a half.
     

    HKShooter65

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    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/opin...attack-us-gun-policy-volsky-sakran/index.html

    Things are happening fast over there.
    Could be here some day!

    "Rather than stereotyping gun owners into good guys and bad guys, the public health approach recognizes that firearms are inherently dangerous and should be significantly harder to get.
    Indeed, nations that adopted policies to raise the standard for gun ownership have saved thousands of lives."


    They are going for a 1996 Australian model.

    Immediate action would be taken to prevent people from stockpiling weapons ahead of the change in law and to encourage gun owners to surrender their weapons.
     

    rdcott

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    I've seen some posts regarding "Red Flag" laws in several states. Is it true that anyone can report you "as a threat to yourself or others" to any authority, resulting in a judge's order for LEO's to pay you an unannounced visit in order to demand surrender of your guns without any form of due process? Then require you to attend a hearing on whether you will get your guns back? IOW, guilty until proven innocent?
     

    Younggun

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    I've seen some posts regarding "Red Flag" laws in several states. Is it true that anyone can report you "as a threat to yourself or others" to any authority, resulting in a judge's order for LEO's to pay you an unannounced visit in order to demand surrender of your guns without any form of due process? Then require you to attend a hearing on whether you will get your guns back? IOW, guilty until proven innocent?

    In general, yes. Although the laws vary slightly and there should generally be reasonable evidence to support the claim. But it’s on the judge to decide if evidence is sufficient.


    They are shit laws. Terrible infringements.


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    deemus

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    Exactly. Which is why any kind of threatening play acting should not be done these days.


    It wasn't threatening, just a guy rappelling down from the ceiling, preceded by a video.

    It was actually pretty cool
     

    oldag

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    This description doesn't quite equate with what was in the video and explained in the video clip analyzing done in the video in this thread by GoodDog.


    Shaun Ragland 12 hours ago
    Although I don't at all disagree about the NZ shooting being a [FF] staged event (I saw
    the video before it was taken down), I don't believe the number of shots is a
    factor. They make 30,32,40 and 60 round P-mags. The 30, 32 & 40 round mags
    look pretty similar in length and it's hard to tell the difference at first
    glance. I've had the unfortunate experience of being in a room
    "AFTER" a group of insurgents were shot to shit. The amount of blood
    is unimaginable, it's on the floors, walls and ceilings as well as bone frags,
    tissue and brain matter being everywhere ! Have you ever noticed with the
    majority of these shootings IE; Sandy Hook, Stoneman Douglas, Las Vegas etc...
    with all of the high tech surveillance cameras, they never seem to be able to
    provide even a single still frame image of the shooter actually holding a weapon
    ???? Hmmmm ? The shooting [FF] that really blows me away in their lack of a
    believable story has to be Sandy Hook. They want us to believe that an autistic
    retard shot and killed 26 people and didn't "wound" anybody in an all
    concrete floored, tin can stud and drywall building., .223 & .556 rounds
    are high speed, highly fragmentable rounds that virtually explode whether they
    hit concrete or drywall. If this were a real shooting, somebody, somewhere in
    that building would have caught a frag and been wounded but not killed !

    I was respoding to Deemus, not some video clip, so I have no idea what you are talking about.

    And 5.56 can penetrate drywall quite nicely. Sideways when they come out perhaps, but penetrated nonetheless.
     
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