Electric Vehicles here to stay, for good or bad?

[Sam7sf]

The more popular ev’s get, the more I want to stick to gas or diesel.

Changing your own oil, replacing parts from hard use, that sound of an 8 cylinder as you get into it. An electric truck might do more, but it doesn’t make you a man. it also doesn’t make father son time as fun. What’s a kid gonna do with his dads electric truck? Learn about all the useless accessories they can buy at the dealership? When I was a kid my dad pulled me outside to watch him replace the water pump.

 

[toddnjoyce]

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As far as the "better" question: the "stick" is the F150. ... (quite a few companies are adding them to employee lots...

Two things:

Better has to be defined somewhere, otherwise it’s purely subjective And emotional.

There’s an interesting legal question starting to be asked about company provided charging stations that give away energy for free.

If the company is essentially paying for fuel for some employees, why aren’t all employees provided a similar benefit?

 

[ZX9RCAM]

No transmission in an EV, just direct drive with electric motors.

I doubt it hurt the car...the Tundra that towed the Space Shuttle was bone-stock and none the worse for wear.


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[txinvestigator]

The more popular ev’s get, the more I want to stick to gas or diesel.

Changing your own oil, replacing parts from hard use, that sound of an 8 cylinder as you get into it. An electric truck might do more, but it doesn’t make you a man. it also doesn’t make father son time as fun. What’s a kid gonna do with his dads electric truck? Learn about all the useless accessories they can buy at the dealership? When I was a kid my dad pulled me outside to watch him replace the water pump.

Hows that IBM typewriter working for you, grandpa? You still using a rotary phone or have you switched to touch tone? Where do you get the ice for your icebox?

 

[Sam7sf]

Hows that IBM typewriter working for you, grandpa? You still using a rotary phone or have you switched to touch tone? Where do you get the ice for your icebox?

Just think how much of a pain in the ass I’m gonna be if I make to be an old geezer.

 

[HKShooter65]

Tesla pickup?
God bless Photoshop.

 

[HKShooter65]

No transmission in an EV, just direct drive with electric motors.

Almost direct I believe.
There is gearbox:
Differential that takes automatic transmission fluid.

 

[gshayd]

You can only burn people once if you burn them all no poop for fuel.

 

[pronstar]

We’ve had a pure EV (Fiat 500e), a plug-in Hybrid (Chevy Volt), plus two hybrids (Lexus CTh, Toyota Prius).

And I was in a few owners groups until the smugness just got too much for me to bear...

The Fiat was a pure commuter, and I seldom used chargers that weren’t at my home. With an 80 mile range, utility was very compromised but it was fine for my use.

Basically, most EV owners charge at home, overnight. It’s pretty nice not having to go to a gas station.

Only some “daring” Tesla owners seemed to take them on trips that required use of the supercharger network.

One idiot purposely took her 500e on a trip from SoCal to a Vegas. She planned it out and it transformed a nominal 4 hour drive, into a 3-day “adventure” that she insisted was fun. Keep in mind, the 500e has no fast-charging capability, so every 80-ish miles it’s a 4-hour stop to charge.

This is beyond what the car was designed for.

And in reality, using any car outside of its design parameters is a crappy way to go about things.

Side note:
The Volt was/is an amazing car.
Drives waaay better as an EV...it’s sorta crappy when the ICE engine is needed and the car functions as a hybrid.



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[pronstar]

Almost direct I believe.
There is gearbox:
Differential that takes automatic transmission fluid.

Yeah they use a reduction gear.
Not a conventional transmission by any means.

The gearbox in my Fiat was 9:1, which explains why it topped out at 88 mph - that electric motor was spinning to the moon. Direct-coupled to the EV motor, so reverse just spun the motor backward.
0-40 acceleration for the Stoplight Grand Prix was awesome

Toyota’s eCVT that’s used in hybrids is different from a normal CVT as well.

It has very few moving parts, just a planetary gear set with very little to wear out.

Same crappy “motorboating” sensation when accelerating as other CVTs, tho...



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[kbaxter60]

Two things:

Better has to be defined somewhere, otherwise it’s purely subjective And emotional.

There’s an interesting legal question starting to be asked about company provided charging stations that give away energy for free.

If the company is essentially paying for fuel for some employees, why aren’t all employees provided a similar benefit?

I don't think it's going to be defined for us. It's also highly personal. I listed TCOO for me and that would be a big one. Someone else mentioned working on a car with your kid. That's completely valid. Mine are pretty well grown now, so not a consideration. Grandkids, maybe.

I'll worry about it when the time comes. I was actually on a list to get the Elio when it came out (if it ever does). It was supposed to be under $5800 and get 80 MPG. Then the price crept up over $6k. I imagine the mileage numbers will come down before delivery. Remember the early Prius numbers???

See at www.elio.com

Another interesting legal question: can your employer enforce rules that disallow you from bringing a firearm to work? The last two I worked for (in another state) had such rules. I see it as a violation of my constitutional rights. One day, it's bound to be challenged. I look forward to it. The last company I worked for actually routed a video on what to do if there were and active shooter situation. It was a joke. Basically hide, and maybe get the scissors out of your drawer to defend yourself. Talk about bringing a knife to a gunfight!

 

[txinvestigator]

Just think how much of a pain in the ass I’m gonna be if I make to be an old geezer.

 

[Pops1955]

I still want to point out that if the subsidies stop these feel good industries will die, or at least get slowed down by a significant factor. Our government has created and / or supported industries, at an insanely expensive level, in the name of doing it better without fossil fuels. Meanwhile, fossil fuel development has surpassed anyone's expectations to the point that the good old USA is a net exporter for the first time in a quarter century or more. I had a 69 GTO as a young'un. I love the feel of acceleration. I got to drive a corvette looking prototype EV from OU back in the late 90's. The acceleration was phenomenal and it was like having a golf cart on major steroids. Snap your head back type of fun. BUT I do not think that Solyndra (remember that debacle) or Tesla or anyone else should be able to spend my tax dollars to develop tech before its time. Too wasteful.

 

[toddnjoyce]

I don't think it's going to be defined for us. It's also highly personal....

...I was actually on a list to get the Elio when it came out (if it ever does). ...

And therein lies the rub. Elon Musk doesn’t get to decide what ‘better’ means. I deal with this all time as part of the work I do. Someone is always pitching ‘better’, so ask them compared to what?

If it gets beyond that, I start asking about benchmarks to compare again at. I love it when they pull out proprietary or hypothetical benchmarks.

In this case, I think the market gets to define ‘better’.

When Elon can sell 1M+ units/yr at a rate of one every 30 seconds, and produce 30+M over a lifetime , I’ll begin to consider whether it’s better than an F150.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmc...ford-f-150-can-32-million-americans-be-wrong/

 

[txinvestigator]

I don't think it's going to be defined for us. It's also highly personal. I listed TCOO for me and that would be a big one. Someone else mentioned working on a car with your kid. That's completely valid. Mine are pretty well grown now, so not a consideration. Grandkids, maybe.

I'll worry about it when the time comes. I was actually on a list to get the Elio when it came out (if it ever does). It was supposed to be under $5800 and get 80 MPG. Then the price crept up over $6k. I aimagine the mileable numbers will come down before delivery. Remember the early Prius numbers???

See at www.elio.com

Another interesting legal question: can your employer enforce rules that disallow you from bringing a firearm to work? The last two I worked for (in another state) had such rules. I see it as a violation of my constitutional rights. One day, it's bound to be challenged. I look forward to it. The last company I worked for actually routed a video on what to do if there were and active shooter situation. It was a joke. Basically hide, and maybe get the scissors out of your drawer to defend yourself. Talk about bringing a knife to a gunfight!

Please take your handgun question to a new thread. Glad to help you, but dont want to derail this thread

 

[Fosty 2.0]

I saw a Prius today that had a sticker which said "I'm saving money on fuel to buy more guns"

 

[txinvestigator]

. BUT I do not think that Solyndra (remember that debacle) or Tesla or anyone else should be able to spend my tax dollars to develop tech before its time. Too wasteful.

A couple of questions...

Who decides "before its time"?

Lots of tech is taxpayer funded:

NASA, think the 60s space race
Military tech: lots of ahead of its time there, missiles, fire control systems, aircraft, ships and subs, etc.

 

[benenglish]

Tesla pickup?
God bless Photoshop.

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That's not Photoshop. That's the work of the transcendently marvelous Simone Giertz, a brilliant young lady who has suffered through multiple brain tumors while continuing to make wonderful robots. Mostly hilarious, crappy robots, but wonderful, nonetheless. I've subscribed to her YT channel for a long time.

How to build a really crappy but somehow smile-inducing Tesla pickup:



If that video is too long to suffer through (It's fascinating and worth the time, IMO.), then here's a fake sub-2-minute commercial for the product she created:

 

[pronstar]

I'll worry about it when the time comes. I was actually on a list to get the Elio when it came out (if it ever does). It was supposed to be under $5800 and get 80 MPG. Then the price crept up over $6k. I aimagine the mileable numbers will come down before delivery. Remember the early Prius numbers???

See at www.elio.com

Hope you can get your money back.
Elio has been vaporware since 2013, every year it’ll be “next year”.

Their show car has been on the show circuit for years, and it’s a POS with exposed booger welds...mind you, this is what they put out for auto shows.

And currently, they’ve publicly stated they need another half-billion to produce any cars this year...I can’t imagine anyone is going to invest in them. They’ve been a laughingstock in the industry for quite some time...

Edit:
Elio not Eliot


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[benenglish]

Eliot has been vaporware since 2013, every year it’ll be “next year”.

I signed up for updates way back when. If that thing had gone into production in 2013, I would have plopped down my money without hesitation even though some of the warts were pretty obvious. As a second car, I thought it met my needs perfectly.

I'm sure glad I never paid money to get on the waiting list. Nowadays, even the email updates are just pointers to their blog and their blog, in recent years, has just been re-publishing articles that were first published back in 2015 or so.

The Elio is never going to happen.