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  • WT_Foxtrot

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    Actually I "lost" my iPhone yesterday for about 12 hours, founding by pinging it from my Apple Watch when I go home. In the meantime I looked on line thinking I might be on the market and found the iPhone with the biggest memory is $1449.00.

    Ye gads.

    Yep....top of the line phones are nuts too. That's 4-5X what I've ever spent on one, but I buy my phones like I buy my cars......couple years/generations old and drive/use them as long as I can, then sell them to minimize the cost of what is ultimately a depreciating asset.

    And to your (assumed) point, of course the most expensive electric vehicles range from $300K to over $1M. So you can see why your comparison with even a $1,500 phone and tossing them aside after a few years was a poor one unless you literally have money to burn.
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    HKShooter65

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    That's why you'll see countless videos of a Tesla putting distance on big horsepower cars off the line, and then getting reeled in and often passed.


    Huh?

    Those "countless videos" are pretty rare!
    Find me some.

    Generally you have to enter the realm of million dollar exotic supercars to have a shot at beating a Tesla off the line or at 1/4 mile.



    Here is one where the Tesla absolutely crushes a BMW M5, Porsche Panamera Turbo and a Mercedes AMG GT63s.
    Those are some serious performance cars.

    Even the little diminutive Tesla 3 absolutely smear a Dodge Hellcat with it's obnoxious noisy smelly fossil of an engine!!!

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    Brains

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    There's a kid with a YouTube channel, he drag races his P100d (lightly modified, weight reduction, tires, etc.). He gives a very fair shake at what's possible and posts good videos. There's a lot of him beating a lot of fast cars as expected, a lighter weight P100d moves well, but it does show exactly what I'm talking about. In many, many of the races - and he races primarily 1/8th mile too - but you can see the gas engine cars running him down at the end.

    This video clearly shows the difference, even though the Demon driver did give him a 4 tenth head start. Must have needed to finish his sandwich first. The Demon is clearly the faster car, but as you'll notice the Tesla runs the first half of the track fast, and then falls a little flat as the fat cat quickly closes the gap.

     

    HKShooter65

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    New fees on hybrid cars.
    States want the road tax from hybrids that they are losing at the pump.

    http://www.ncsl.org/research/energy/new-fees-on-hybrid-and-electric-vehicles.aspx

    Make reasonable sense.

    Things generally true:
    1. None of us like taxes. Particularly new taxes.
    2. All of us like good roads to drive on.
    3. Taxes are most acceptable when everyone pays their fair share.

    If we imaginarily fast forward to the future where 50% of Americans drive fully electric cars, tax revenues on gas are down and EV drivers are unfairly given a tax break as they continue to use the roads.


    Seems reasonable to somehow recoup revenues lost on declining gasoline sales?
    The "Roads Go On Forever", to misquote Robert Earl.
     

    Brains

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    I imagine they'll have more luck shifting it to an increase on your annual vehicle registration. Back of the napkin math:

    12,000 miles per year
    25 mpg average economy
    480 gal used
    Fed+Texas $0.384/gal fuel tax
    = $184.32 in taxes
     

    benenglish

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    Or so you think. Faster acceleration combined with retarded driving habits is gonna be sweet.
    Combine that with the inability to properly stow or tie down a load of goods to be delivered and I predict an uptick in parcel damage in transit.

    I remember my idiot brother in law nearly getting himself (and me, my sis, and my mom, in the following car) killed because he had loaded his pickup so precipitously and tied the load down so poorly that he couldn't exceed ~45 mph. That really made traveling the SW freeway from SW Houston to Richmond an adventure in near-misses.

    There are plenty of loaders and drivers with no more brains than my BIL. The ability to accelerate at anything other than a snail's pace is the only thing that keeps stuff from falling off the backs of their trucks.

    OK, I'm grumpy this morning, I guess. :(
     

    Sam7sf

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    Combine that with the inability to properly stow or tie down a load of goods to be delivered and I predict an uptick in parcel damage in transit.

    I remember my idiot brother in law nearly getting himself (and me, my sis, and my mom, in the following car) killed because he had loaded his pickup so precipitously and tied the load down so poorly that he couldn't exceed ~45 mph. That really made traveling the SW freeway from SW Houston to Richmond an adventure in near-misses.

    There are plenty of loaders and drivers with no more brains than my BIL. The ability to accelerate at anything other than a snail's pace is the only thing that keeps stuff from falling off the backs of their trucks.

    OK, I'm grumpy this morning, I guess. :(
    Lol that’s ok. I’m grumpy every morning.

    Yes...I have seen some bad loads thought to be secure. Plenty of box trucks too that have drivers with no business behind the wheel. You can tell who’s using tow mirrors and who’s a newbie.

    My biggest concern with anything that gives the drivers more acceleration is just about everyone not understanding fallowing distance. Prepare for more traffic jams.
     

    mroper

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    So I have a question. Why dont the Hybrid cars just run the motor to charge the batteries instead of a second propulsion unit. is it that the engine they put in are not powerful enough to charge and keep up with the discharge rate ?
     

    Brains

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    So I have a question. Why dont the Hybrid cars just run the motor to charge the batteries instead of a second propulsion unit. is it that the engine they put in are not powerful enough to charge and keep up with the discharge rate ?
    That's how the Chevy Volt works. The onboard gasoline engine has no* physical connection to the drivetrain, much like a locomotive. Gas engine runs a generator, which charges the batteries, which drive an electric motor. It can start and stop at will in response to demand.

    * The engine actually does go through a gear set which can power the wheels, but does not in typical operation. It's there so the car will still drive if the battery is completely flat or the electric motor is out of commission.
     

    Brains

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    So I have a question. Why dont the Hybrid cars just run the motor to charge the batteries instead of a second propulsion unit. is it that the engine they put in are not powerful enough to charge and keep up with the discharge rate ?

    Toyota and Ford hybrids do this also.

    The engine can move the car, and can also directly spin the motor-generator to put charge back into the batteries.

    The bmw i3’s range-extender engine will only propel the car to around 55mph, much slower on grades. This is the only “hybrid” I’m aware of that won’t keep up with the discharge rate at normal highway speeds...and also one reason why they don’t call it a hybrid.
    (Another reason being CARB and asinine regulations)

    If driving in the mountains/ high load with depleted battery, the Volt’s gas engine also may not make generate enough power (electric or mechanical) to maintain speed on grades. But this is easily avoided if one uses the drive modes correctly (e.g. mountain mode).


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