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  • oldag

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    True... But what if you get smoked and say you have 3 little kids at home that relied on you. They will not appreciate your efforts.
    So is that what you say about those who sacrifice their lives for others? Disgusting.

    Guess you think all the vets who gave their lives in the various wars were stupid also? And their kids were left nothing?

    The children of those who sacrifice their lives for others do pay a price, but they are left with a legacy that is apparently far beyond your comprehension.

    Thank the Good Lord that the many who have sacrificed their lives for us were not as selfish and self centered as some on this board.
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    FireInTheWire

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    So is that what you say about those who sacrifice their lives for others? Disgusting.

    Guess you think all the vets who gave their lives in the various wars were stupid also? And their kids were left nothing?

    The children of those who sacrifice their lives for others do pay a price, but they are left with a legacy that is apparently far beyond your comprehension.

    Thank the Good Lord that the many who have sacrificed their lives for us were not as selfish and self centered as some on this board.
    Oh boy....

    I appreciate and honor our troops. I know they give the ultimate sacrifice.

    Maybe one day we can sit and talk about this. It's far too complicated to type out Oldag.
     

    candcallen

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    Some of you guys need to grow the phuck up and quit proving you are a grade A ars by making assumptions and putting words in peoples mouths.

    Talking thru the what if is just that. It's how you prepare. In my experience the mouthy bad arses are usually the first to piss them selves and wilt.

    Your wife and kids are not going to appreciate your stupid actions that leave them alone and probably broke losing their home and friends. You arent a cop or soldier and arent prepared for that like they are. Saying such IS IN NO WAY A NEGATIVE COMMENT ABOUT THOSE WHO DO DECIDE TO ACT AND DECIDE PUT OTHERS LIVES FIRST.

    In both instances the wife and kids are left with nothing compared to your loss. The legacy of your actions wont buy a god damned thing. If it did you would be paying their mortgages and buying their school clothes.

    So pull your head out. Learn when to not try to play gotcha and try to tell the world about your giant balls by belittling others.

    You are on the wrong side of of this reality but those who live fantasy worlds usually are.

    If I have the wrong impression of your attitude and comments maybe you should think first.

    No one here holds those who serve others in anything but the highest regard. No one said anything like that. You're looking thru a straw here. Consider that.
     
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    oldag

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    Your wife and kids are not going to appreciate your stupid actions that leave them alone and probably broke losing their home and friends. You arent a cop or soldier and arent prepared for that like they are. Saying such IS IN NO WAY A NEGATIVE COMMENT ABOUT THOSE WHO DO DECIDE TO ACT AND DECIDE PUT OTHERS LIVES FIRST.

    In both instances the wife and kids are left with nothing compared to your loss. The legacy of your actions wont buy a god damned thing. If it did you would be paying their mortgages and buying their school clothes.

    So pull your head out. Learn when to not try to play gotcha and try to tell the world about your giant balls by belittling others.

    You are on the wrong side of of this reality but those who live fantasy worlds usually are.
    "You arent a cop or soldier and arent prepared for that like they are." What difference does it make? Just because one is getting paid or isn't a "professional"? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. In either instance a good person is risking their life to try and save others.

    I have know people who have lost a father who made the ultimate sacrifice. They would disagree with you. A legacy can be in terms other than dollars - as the best legacies are. Money is very transient and temporary. No matter how much you have it can disappear in an instant. Regardless of whether or not you leave this world or remain in the world with your family. Put your faith in money, if you wish. I will place my faith in something more permanent.

    You could stand to take your own advice on belittling.

    Fantasy world? I have known people who lived it. And you insult their sacrifice.

    What a sad statement on our society today that so many are so selfish.
     

    candcallen

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    See there you go again. Dick in mouth.

    I said nothing negative about people who sacrafice for others so I suggest some auto fornication to help sooth your butt hurt.

    Context is important. Like the context of the discussion as in a Ccw holder and how they respond. So no it isnt the same as a LEO or Military member. Peroid. Weather you act is not black and white. Are you going to put your baby down to run to the gunfire? Are you going to leave your family to run to the gunfire? No not unless you're an idiot.

    Again no one but you said people think negatively about those who die so others may live. YOU AND YOU ALONE. Considering the consequences of ones actions is how rational people make decisions. The legacy of those who die for others is always with us. They are the best of us but that still wont take the place of you in their lives. Your legacy wont feed and clothes them. It may comfort them later.

    Context matters. You are off on a different subject entirely.
     

    candcallen

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    Again no one insulted anyones sacrafice. You made a huge assumption and are flat wrong and owe the dude a public apology.

    Sorry I lost my temper but come on man?
     

    Double Naught Spy

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    Actually, crime rates have fallen where concealed carry has become more common.

    By golly, you are right! In fact, in 2006 in Texas Commissioner Jerry Patterson published a nice article talking about how Texas CHL's lowered the crime rate in Texas. He was, after all, the senior author on the bill and it had been a decade of dropping crime rates in Texas since CHL went into effect in 1996. Cool, right? Stats prove it works, right?

    What the Commissioner failed to tell people was that the Texas crime rate was also in a downward trend BEFORE the CHL went into effect. Apparently the notion of the bill was so powerful, crime in Texas started dropping in the previous decade, wavering back and forth a bit, then started its downward fall in 1992. But this just proves that pro-gun legislation and activities now can have such a powerful effect as to affect crime levels backward through time!!!! Is that not amazing??

    But wait, there is more. Clear evidence that Texas CHLs reduce crime was so effective that when it went into effect in 1996, not only did the crime rate drop in Texas, but there was a national ripple effect that carried over to MA, CA, NY, and ME for several years(from Uniform FBI Crime Reports found online for each state). That is right, sir, statistics have proven that since the implementation of Texas CHL, the crime rates dropped in decidedly anti-gun states as well.

    Sorry, but there is no clear indication crime rates fall as a result of concealed carry. Crime rates seem to be much more impacted by socio-economic events and situations than by concealed carry.

    Here is a reference source. Actually the crime index took a slight turn UP in 1996 when we got concealed carry. However, by the numbers, violent crime had been declining since 1991 as had property crime, robbery, and murder. Rape had been in decline since 1992. Burglary had been in decline since 1988. Larceny theft had been in decline prior to 1996 when we got concealed carry, but took and upward turn that year before declining more. Vehicle theft had been in decline since 1991 as well, with the slightest uptick in 1996, as did aggravated assault.
    http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm
     
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    gshayd

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    The things you need are contained in the Texas use of force laws. That when you fire your CHL weapon you are responsible for where the bullet ends up. We can make scenarios up all day long.
     

    oldag

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    See there you go again. Dick in mouth.

    I said nothing negative about people who sacrafice for others so I suggest some auto fornication to help sooth your butt hurt.

    Context is important. Like the context of the discussion as in a Ccw holder and how they respond. So no it isnt the same as a LEO or Military member. Peroid. Weather you act is not black and white. Are you going to put your baby down to run to the gunfire? Are you going to leave your family to run to the gunfire? No not unless you're an idiot.

    Again no one but you said people think negatively about those who die so others may live. YOU AND YOU ALONE. Considering the consequences of ones actions is how rational people make decisions. The legacy of those who die for others is always with us. They are the best of us but that still wont take the place of you in their lives. Your legacy wont feed and clothes them. It may comfort them later.

    Context matters. You are off on a different subject entirely.
    Save your bluster for someone on whom it might have some effect, ace.

    Your words, not mine:
    "Your wife and kids are not going to appreciate your stupid actions that leave them alone and probably broke losing their home and friends. You arent a cop or soldier and arent prepared for that like they are."

    "In both instances the wife and kids are left with nothing compared to your loss. The legacy of your actions wont buy a god damned thing."

    {And I see you have since edited your post.}

    And the original statement, not mine, to which I responded:
    "True... But what if you get smoked and say you have 3 little kids at home that relied on you. They will not appreciate your efforts."

    If the above three quotes are not negative statements about someone making the ultimate sacrifice, I don't know what is. Maybe you can explain it away?

    For all of those folks who are "me first", I truly hope it is never your wife/child/loved one who is in danger when someone chooses to look out for number one and avoid any risk to their own hide.
     

    oldag

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    By golly, you are right! In fact, in 2006 in Texas Commissioner Jerry Patterson published a nice article talking about how Texas CHL's lowered the crime rate in Texas. He was, after all, the senior author on the bill and it had been a decade of dropping crime rates in Texas since CHL went into effect in 1996. Cool, right? Stats prove it works, right?

    What the Commissioner failed to tell people was that the Texas crime rate was also in a downward trend BEFORE the CHL went into effect. Apparently the notion of the bill was so powerful, crime in Texas started dropping in the previous decade, wavering back and forth a bit, then started its downward fall in 1992. But this just proves that pro-gun legislation and activities now can have such a powerful effect as to affect crime levels backward through time!!!! Is that not amazing??

    But wait, there is more. Clear evidence that Texas CHLs reduce crime was so effective that when it went into effect in 1996, not only did the crime rate drop in Texas, but there was a national ripple effect that carried over to MA, CA, NY, and ME for several years(from Uniform FBI Crime Reports found online for each state). That is right, sir, statistics have proven that since the implementation of Texas CHL, the crime rates dropped in decidedly anti-gun states as well.

    Sorry, but there is no clear indication crime rates fall as a result of concealed carry. Crime rates seem to be much more impacted by socio-economic events and situations than by concealed carry.

    Here is a reference source. Actually the crime index took a slight turn UP in 1996 when we got concealed carry. However, by the numbers, violent crime had been declining since 1991 as had property crime, robbery, and murder. Rape had been in decline since 1992. Burglary had been in decline since 1988. Larceny theft had been in decline prior to 1996 when we got concealed carry, but took and upward turn that year before declining more. Vehicle theft had been in decline since 1991 as well, with the slightest uptick in 1996, as did aggravated assault.
    http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm
    But wait, there is more. And here are some reference sources for you as well.

    As reported by ABC, hardly a gun friendly source:
    Thus many of John Lott's (senior research scholar at Yale's School of Law) controversial results take the dry form of statements about coefficients and confidence intervals.

    If Lott's thesis is correct, regression coefficients relating confrontational crime rates to the passage of laws that require officials to issue concealed weapon permits are negative. That is, more guns, less crime. The values of these coefficients are also statistically significant, not likely to have occurred by chance. Suffice it to say that Lott's formal calculations are not wrong in any blatant way.

    Gun homicides were 10% higher in states with restrictive CCW laws, according to a study spanning 1980-2009. {An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates, Applied Economics Letters, Vol 21, No. 4}

    States that disallow concealed carry have violent crime rates 11% higher than national averages.
    {FBI, Uniform Crime Reports, 2004 – excludes Hawaii and Rhode Island – small populations and geographic isolation create other determinants to violent crime}

    Enjoy.
     

    mamboloco

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    on the legal answer: read a copy of the "law of self defense" by branca. he will say avoid the shooter if you have the chance. The cost of defending yourself, and the potential liability is too big. what if you get to the front and see a guy with a gun and drop him and he turned out to be another CHL looking for the bad guy?

    on the non-legal side, Watch the Christchurch video to understand what happens to someone trying to sneak up to a rifle guy..
     

    oldag

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    Oh boy....

    I appreciate and honor our troops. I know they give the ultimate sacrifice.

    Maybe one day we can sit and talk about this. It's far too complicated to type out Oldag.
    I appreciate and honor anyone who lays down his life for his fellow man. Regardless of whether or not he wears a uniform.

    I would hope others would as well, but perhaps not.
     

    Kar98

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    "You arent a cop or soldier and arent prepared for that like they are." What difference does it make?

    Better training, better equipped, better lawyers and simpler rules of engagement: everyone over there needs being dead, go!
     

    WAYnorthTX

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    Like most of you, I ASSUME, that in a bad situation, I hope that I would be able to help. I would hope that circumstances would be favorable to me being in the right place, and that I would have the courage to do what needed to be done. I have every expectation that I would be able to do it, I carry wherever I can, and I pray to the Lord Jesus for strength and guidance. But until that time comes, I can only hope, pray, and practice. It [an active shooter situation] is one of many things that I hope I never have to do, like fight in a civil war.
     

    Big Green

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    So is that what you say about those who sacrifice their lives for others? Disgusting.

    Guess you think all the vets who gave their lives in the various wars were stupid also? And their kids were left nothing?

    The children of those who sacrifice their lives for others do pay a price, but they are left with a legacy that is apparently far beyond your comprehension.

    Thank the Good Lord that the many who have sacrificed their lives for us were not as selfish and self centered as some on this board.
    Like you and many others, I signed that dotted line, three times. Would do it again and have been actively thinking about again.

    One slight difference between military and possibly LEO. As a civilian, I have no SGLI to take care of my family afterwards.

    Does that mean I won’t protect my fellow Americans if the poo hit the fan and I was in a favorable position to eliminate the threat? No, just the personal situation of me writing that check has a much more potential negative effect for MY family. As a husband and father, one of my first duties is to them.
     
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