For American gun owners, who will be our REAL choice in 2020?

[Younggun]

That's mighty white of you.
Now who is Cortez ?

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[WAYnorthTX]

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Oh. So that is "US politics and mainstream political and cultural references related to such".
That seems to be before my (and the U.S.'s) time. I DID read about Cortez when I was in school, but you seem to have confused this guy Cortez with the Nazis of Germany during the 1930s and 1940s. They are two very different things entirely. You could look them up on the internet for more information about how the Nazis enacted Gun Control laws, disarmed the populace, then slaughtered millions in work/death camps. The American gun control act of 1968 was modeled closely on these Nazi laws, and many people believe that we Americans need to keep our guns to prevent anything like that happening to us in the future. (I am not wearing a tin foil hat.) That is why I posted the pictures of the Auschwitz death camp. It had nothing to do with this guy Cortez. I suppose you could draw the analogy with the way the Spaniards conquered the indiginous people that they encountered and then slaughtered many of them. But I was not thinking of that when I made my post. I hope this clears up any confusion on your part.

 

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[gshayd]

So you're pro gun control then...

being a life member of the NRA and several other organizations that would be a no...

 

[Younggun]

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[V-Tach]

 

[Dad_Roman]

Sigh....<filling in for Vaq>

 

[gshayd]

If the federal firearms apocalypse ever comes who is going to enforce it? There is bout maybe 120,000 federal law enforcement agents? There are 3242 counties and equivalents in the united states. That what be about 37 agents per county or county or equivalents in the United States. That is if they stop all other law enforcement activities and concentrate on gun confiscation. The other question is will local law enforcement agencies assist them? The Doctrine of Posse Comitatus forbids the U.S. military from domestic law enforcement. There are about 1,290,000 members of the military on active duty. That would give you an additional 397 people per county if the military solely concentrated on gun confiscation. There is about 670,279 sworn-in law enforcement personnel in the united states. That would give us an additional 206 personnel per county if they concentrated on weapons confiscation. The big unanswered question is how many law enforcement and military personnel would support this? As far as weapons confiscation the gate has been left open and the cow is gone. We already know that there are folks in states where registration is compulsive by law and everybody has not participated and the officials know this. They do not want to been seen kicking citizens doors down and hauling productive law-abiding citizens off to already crowded jails and prisons. The gun grabbers have a wet dream of this happening they have not thought the plan through. and realized it would be a nightmare since we are talking about 100 million firearms owning families. The numbers are not on the gun grabbers side.

 

[oldag]

If the federal firearms apocalypse ever comes who is going to enforce it? There is bout maybe 120,000 federal law enforcement agents? There are 3242 counties and equivalents in the united states. That what be about 37 agents per county or county or equivalents in the United States. That is if they stop all other law enforcement activities and concentrate on gun confiscation. The other question is will local law enforcement agencies assist them? The Doctrine of Posse Comitatus forbids the U.S. military from domestic law enforcement. There are about 1,290,000 members of the military on active duty. That would give you an additional 397 people per county if the military solely concentrated on gun confiscation. There is about 670,279 sworn-in law enforcement personnel in the united states. That would give us an additional 206 personnel per county if they concentrated on weapons confiscation. The big unanswered question is how many law enforcement and military personnel would support this? As far as weapons confiscation the gate has been left open and the cow is gone. We already know that there are folks in states where registration is compulsive by law and everybody has not participated and the officials know this. They do not want to been seen kicking citizens doors down and hauling productive law-abiding citizens off to already crowded jails and prisons. The gun grabbers have a wet dream of this happening they have not thought the plan through. and realized it would be a nightmare since we are talking about 100 million firearms owning families. The numbers are not on the gun grabbers side.

True, but doesn't mean they won't try.

 

[Younggun]

If the federal firearms apocalypse ever comes who is going to enforce it? There is bout maybe 120,000 federal law enforcement agents? There are 3242 counties and equivalents in the united states. That what be about 37 agents per county or county or equivalents in the United States. That is if they stop all other law enforcement activities and concentrate on gun confiscation. The other question is will local law enforcement agencies assist them? The Doctrine of Posse Comitatus forbids the U.S. military from domestic law enforcement. There are about 1,290,000 members of the military on active duty. That would give you an additional 397 people per county if the military solely concentrated on gun confiscation. There is about 670,279 sworn-in law enforcement personnel in the united states. That would give us an additional 206 personnel per county if they concentrated on weapons confiscation. The big unanswered question is how many law enforcement and military personnel would support this? As far as weapons confiscation the gate has been left open and the cow is gone. We already know that there are folks in states where registration is compulsive by law and everybody has not participated and the officials know this. They do not want to been seen kicking citizens doors down and hauling productive law-abiding citizens off to already crowded jails and prisons. The gun grabbers have a wet dream of this happening they have not thought the plan through. and realized it would be a nightmare since we are talking about 100 million firearms owning families. The numbers are not on the gun grabbers side.

They would enforce it by arresting anyone who allows their firearms to see light of day or showing up at your door when your liberal neighbor calls them to report the scary illegal weapons in your house.

They’d make an example of anyone they caught so that anyone left would either destroy their firearms out of fear or keep them hidden away and rusting.


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[Renegade]

If the federal firearms apocalypse ever comes who is going to enforce it?

It will be self-enforced, which will cover about 99% of all people.

 

[45tex]

So then
For American gun owners, who will be our REAL choice in 2020?
cause that's not much of what I read in the last 20+ pages

I think were stuck with the imperial Trumpster and more loss of rights, without representation.
You know the evil lessor of evils

 

[oldag]

It will be self-enforced, which will cover about 99% of all people.

On the other hand, it has only been self enforced by less than 1% in NZ, the last I read.

 

[Renegade]

On the other hand, it has only been self enforced by less than 1% in NZ, the last I read.

I doubt there is anybody openly selling, shooting, carrying banned guns there. I doubt any stores are selling banned guns down there.

 

[oldag]

I doubt there is anybody openly selling, shooting, carrying banned guns there. I doubt any stores are selling banned guns down there.

Agreed, but they are not giving up what they own.

 

[Renegade]

Agreed, but they are not giving up what they own.

If you cant use it, who cares what you own.

After a few years of not using it, anti-gunners will offer a $100 buy back, and folks will just turn them in for the money since they no longer use it. Saw lots of folks do this in NJ. They were too scared even to drive to PA and sell at a Gun Show.

 

[Younggun]

So then
For American gun owners, who will be our REAL choice in 2020?
cause that's not much of what I read in the last 20+ pages

I think were stuck with the imperial Trumpster and more loss of rights, without representation.
You know the evil lessor of evils

If there were a good 3rd option it would have been used by now.


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[easy rider]

Under HR8, the bill currently in Congress that sparks most of this discussion, gifts could only take place between family members and the definition of family member isn't very broad. I could not give you a gift of a gun without a background check, even though you're a member of my TGT family.

Draft UBC legislation has been drawn up by lots of people in lots of places, however. Some of that draft legislation is much more restrictive than HR8 and would prohibit most or all gifts.

Personally, I could live with a UBC law if it made NICs publicly available to check a person, wasn't linked to any particular firearm transfer, and required no checks when the seller is presented with proof of a prior and still current background check, e.g. showing an LTC when purchasing. That would completely divorce the background check process from any identifiable firearm or any particular transfer. It would be a check on the person, not the transfer. in fact, I'd be willing to bet that the most common uses of such a system would be pre-employment checks on job applicants, women checking out the status of men who are asking for their attention, and other innocuous inquiries.

IOW, I could write a UBC law that really had nothing to do with guns. Of course, the authoritarian gun-grabbers who are currently pushing UBCs would never vote for such a thing because they don't really care about making sure all gun buyers are not prohibited persons. They are working toward an ultimate goal of gun confiscation and a real UBC that looked at people, not guns, would not serve that purpose.

Oh I certainly know where all gun control is headed, I just haven't seen any bill on it yet. I don't think many democrats are that proficient on the current background checks, let alone what an Universal Background Check would entail. I certainly wouldn't want to suggest gun registry as part of any background check. Background checks are not on the firearm one would want to purchase, but only checks the background of the person for eligibility to purchase a firearm.

As far as background checks are concerned, I may think they are a pain for the time it may involve, but I've lived with what they are now.

None of what I had said before was meant to endorse UBC's or any other type of gun control bills.

 

[WAYnorthTX]

I doubt there is anybody openly selling, shooting, carrying banned guns there. I doubt any stores are selling banned guns down there.

Always shop at BLACKMART
Where WE DON'T KNOW YOU
We never ask for a background check or ID
Your cash is always good here
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[TheMailMan]

If you cant use it, who cares what you own.

After a few years of not using it, anti-gunners will offer a $100 buy back, and folks will just turn them in for the money since they no longer use it. Saw lots of folks do this in NJ. They were too scared even to drive to PA and sell at a Gun Show.

Living in NJ and driving to PA to sell a gun would be a violation of Federal law.