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  • gshayd

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    I have extra people on mine. Some stooge at a VA computer entered the records of another veteran into mine. A veteran that's 15+ years older then me with some heavy duty medical problems.

    Now I get asked the most incredibly funky crap during doctor visits.
    Yeh you have to watch what they are doing. Same thing happened to a friend of mine... they were going to take a body part off...
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    gshayd

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    My Mom had to get an U.S. Senator involved to get my WW2 Grandfather his benefit s from the VA. He was in 1936 till 1962. They said there were gaps in his record due to a fire in New Orleans! We got his stuff fixed and He got his services!
    New Orleans? There was a fire in St. Louis. I had a rare chance to visit St. Louis back in the day. Hundreds of records lying around in empty cubicles. The fire was in July of 1973. The lady at NPRC wanted to show me my computerized record. I had no records on file. She told me they were probably burned in the fire. I said that was a damn long fire because I did not enlist till June of 1975.
     

    Deltaboy1984

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    New Orleans? There was a fire in St. Louis. I had a rare chance to visit St. Louis back in the day. Hundreds of records lying around in empty cubicles. The fire was in July of 1973. The lady at NPRC wanted to show me my computerized record. I had no records on file. She told me they were probably burned in the fire. I said that was a damn long fire because I did not enlist till June of 1975.
    Yep the Navy had a record center in N.O. according to the letter my Mom got.
     

    majormadmax

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    I have extra people on mine. Some stooge at a VA computer entered the records of another veteran into mine. A veteran that's 15+ years older then me with some heavy duty medical problems.

    Now I get asked the most incredibly funky crap during doctor visits.

    Not uncommon, records are only as accurate as the information put into them and that is only as good as the person putting it in!

    When I was on active duty, anytime I got to San Antonio I made it a priority to get to Randolph AFB and check my master personnel file. Often I was not only missing important documents, such as orders and decorations, but it wasn't uncommon to find those for other individuals in my records. I would remove them and turn them over to the personnelist who would toss them into a large container marked 'To Be Filed.' I often pondered how many of those documents ended up in the shredder...

    Now that everything is online, I wonder if it's any better?
     

    karlac

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    When did they start teaching Marines to read?

    At Scout Dog School, using the same teaching techniques as close-order drill to recruits.

    "The basic steps for Marines – heeling, staying, sitting, reading – are taught by long repetition of the same commands over and over again until they obey instinctively".
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    lightflyer1

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    I requested copies of my grandfather, father and my records. They reported back no records, all destroyed by fire. Good thing I have my own DD214 and filed it at the courthouse as I was instructed when ETS'ing the Army. Came in handy a number of times so far. I can get a certified copy anytime I want.
     

    gshayd

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    Also be careful of who you accuse of stolen valor. There are some old vets who were accused of it because you believe he is a fake veteran. A 12 year Marine Veteran was accused of stolen valor then attacked by a person who was in the military and other people. He was attacked and injured.
     

    Mr.candrews

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    After it became less of stigma, I met many posers.
    But it doesn't take a Vietnam vet long to suss out a poser, so invite one to dinner. ;)

    Apparently he has an honorable discharge, as it would be hard to run that scam without one.
    So let it be. By serving your country honorably, stateside or not, you supported a combat troop somewhere.
    Make him feel bad ... thank him for his service, and wink.



    Great way to get them in the feels . :)
     

    Mohawk600

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    I was in the AF when Vietnam was still on. The VA classifies me as a "Vietnam Era Veteran." They tell me that is worth some points or something. Its meaningless to me. BUT, I would never even consider wearing a Vietnam Veteran hat. Never. It would be an insult to the men (and women) that served in that country.
    Let him wear it, somebody will ask him a few pointed questions one day, and knock that hat off his head. Hopefully he will learn from the shame and get another hat.
    Hell......I was in from 87 to 91 and I am considered a Vietnam era vet.......
     

    karlac

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    This might explain the remark:

    The Vietnam Era Veterans’ Readjustment Assistance Act (VEVRAA), which set the dates for classification for Vietnam Vets reflected below, was amended in 2014 to strengthen affirmative action requirements so that federal contractors and subcontractors improve their efforts to recruit and hire protected veterans:

    https://adata.org/factsheet/VEVRAA

    Despite its name, VEVRAA protections are not limited to Vietnam era veterans (generally defined as those veterans who served in Vietnam between February 28, 1961, and May 7, 1975). In addition, VEVRAA protects the employment rights of several categories of veterans. Called protected veterans, these are veterans who are:

    Disabled veterans: Those who are “entitled to compensation…under laws administered by the Secretary of Veterans Affairs” or “those who were released from active duty because of a service-connected disability.

    • Recently separatedveterans;
    • Active duty wartime or campaignveterans;
    • Campaign badge veterans;or
    • Armed Forces service medalveterans.
     

    deemus

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    New Orleans? There was a fire in St. Louis. I had a rare chance to visit St. Louis back in the day. Hundreds of records lying around in empty cubicles. The fire was in July of 1973. The lady at NPRC wanted to show me my computerized record. I had no records on file. She told me they were probably burned in the fire. I said that was a damn long fire because I did not enlist till June of 1975.

    When we got my father in laws DD214 so he could have miltary honors at his funeral, the form was burnt around the edges. It was a copy I think, but you could see the burn marks on his form.
     

    Inspector43

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    I was in June 61 to March 66 and am a Vietnam Era Vet. I am a legitimate member of the Vietnam Veterans of America. I don't claim to be a Vietnam War Vet, but I am. I, also, think that status is reserved for combat vets. However, there are clerk typists that served in Vietnam that claim to be War vets. My service was not combat, but it was service. I was 4 years in a Combat Support Group. At any minute I could have been packed up and sent to SE Asia. I went wherever I was told to go. I am a Vietnam Vet.
     

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    And spending 4 years in a USAF CSG on a Navy Ammunition Depot has some dangers too. I did my part and the clerk did his. We are both Vietnam Vets.
    It kind of cuts both ways. It's true that technically anyone in the service can be deployed to do anything I guess. Some guy working admin in HQ stateside could have a gun shoved in his hands and put on the front. Probably not this day in age, but it probably did happen in WW2 and prior. Even service academy cadets are considered active duty and get a ribbon for being active during "wartime" (National Defense Service Ribbon). And without everyone doing their job, nothing gets done. So the admin clerk, the aircraft maintenance guy, and even the general's assitant, all have a role to play. Bronze or Silver Stars and Valor enhancements maybe separate the groups. And maybe it'd be more offensive if the stolen valor guy was fronting some CMoH or actual valor medals or PH or whatever. It is offensive, and as others said I think it's a crime if they even get a discount from the intentional misrepresentation.

    What's irritating, though, is how gushing people are to say "thank you for your service" and especially the politicians, when the perception (and sometimes as elicited by the veteran) make it seem like they're on the front line. The recruiting commercials rarely show some balding guy with glasses sitting at a desk with a stack of personnel papers on his desk and a few stripes on his sleeve or a guy fetching coffee for some brass and laying out his uniform or whatever. The perception of the public is that everyone was taking fire like Hillary. Sure, all the jobs are needed. But there is clearly a difference between someone taking fire and putting their life in jeopardy every day versus the guy stationed CONUS that gets to go home to his family everyday at 5:30. And some of the veterans play up to that. They'll get all the freebies they can and front as if that limp wasn't from tripping over a dog's toy or some Legos but rather from that embedded shrapnel from 'Nam (despite being 40 yrs old). I'm sure everyone on here is familiar with the Navy SEAL stolen valor vids where the actual SEAL (forgive me for forgetting his name off the top of my head) outs these guys. Frequently the fake SEAL is a veteran, but was a cook or dropped out of basic.
     
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