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  • 45tex

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    Crenshaw narced him out to the FBI

    Ole "One Term Dan" must have figured out this would come out so he decided to be pro red flag since the piss ant was using the laws of Oregon anyway. What a POS
     

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    We have become Pre Crime society just because you say something doesnt mean you will commit a crime. In PA a man was convicted in court giving a gun gesture with his hands to his neighbor. They other neighbor was giving him a double birdie so he made a gun out of his hand poi ting at him not knowing another neighbor called the police on him in fear of her life WTF?
     

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    45tex

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    In my entire LE career I was NEVER qualified to judge anyone's sanity. Neither are todays Policemen. I received an obscene amount of training most of which was BS government required tripe. If a class or two can qualify some one to raise a red flag against another they don't know then we can save a fortune shutting down psychiatry departments the world over. Policeman and Teachers are not qualified. Simple as that
    The farther I get from the job the less pro cop I become. I think they have been forced into an us vs them mode and a military mindset. The feeling I get is that they would rather arrest a reportee that forced them to have to make a decision than go after any criminal. Problem is those with this mindset will not question red flags, since its another tool they can use to defer their sworn duties.
     

    ThoughtCriminal2A

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    ....The feeling I get is that they would rather arrest a reportee that forced them to have to make a decision than go after any criminal. Problem is those with this mindset will not question red flags, since its another tool they can use to defer their sworn duties.
    This is exactly what is happening with California red flag.

    What red flag is, is socialization and elimination of individual due process rights by the collective, unlawfully taking individual liberty by extra legal administrative action--
    the reasoning they are using is that the collective has due process rights, while the individual has only due process as granted by the collective,
    because socialism:
    The needs of the collective must always outweigh the needs of the individual,
    therefore the ends always justify the means,
    that is to say, absolutist authoritarian fascism.

    These red flag confiscation warrants are literally designed and intended to be abused, with malice, a clear and present existential threat to the freedom and liberty being necessary for security of a free state.
    Do not make the error of under estimating that threat:
    the only metric ever used to measure/evaluate the administrative "success" of red flag warrants is the snowballing number of people disenfranchised, purely for the sake of more disenfranchisement,
    because the ends always justify the means, always.
    That is not freedom,
    that is slavery, and slavery is illegal.

    The key to deconstructing red flag is the unalienable individual right to due process, and individual right to make a vigorous defense against all charges under due process, especially against legalized confiscatory warrants intended to disenfranchise specific constitutionally protected rights of the individual;
    red flag is socialization, fabricated upon complete disregard for fundamental constitutional rights of individuals subjected thereby,
    that disregard for legit due process is conflated with legit due process, a cheap con job.

    Right now the texas democrat caucus is pushing red flag on the grounds that red flag is passed in several socialist states,
    and they have won two (count them, TWO!) appellate decisions in socialist states courts of appeal (IL, CT)
    confirming that their ruling that socializing the right to keep and bear arms by way of red flag does not violate due process--
    on the twisted argument that red flag socializes and eliminates due process, so by definition due process can not be violated once socialized,
    therefore the rest of us have to "sell or surrender", because they demand that we submit to their demands, and that is "due process".

    The Texas house democrats are ignoring that 75 jurisdictions have declared 2A sanctuary against red flag, because the the right to keep and bear arms is fundamental to a free state, and socializing rights is destructive and toxic anathema to a free state.
    Last I checked, 75 jurisdictions is more than 2 biased appeals courts.

    Red flag confiscation warrants are instruments to do that which is otherwise unauthorized and illegal taking,
    which is why they have to pass legislation to pull this chit,

    sadly I suspect this is going to have to be hammered to texas senators and staffers.
    They will have to be made to hear this over and over until they are sick of hearing it.

    notice
    THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION

    ARTICLE 1.
    Sec. 23. RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.
    ...
    Sec. 29. BILL OF RIGHTS EXCEPTED FROM POWERS OF GOVERNMENT AND INVIOLATE. To guard against transgressions of the high powers herein delegated, we declare that everything in this "Bill of Rights" is excepted out of the general powers of government, and shall forever remain inviolate, and all laws contrary thereto, or to the following provisions, shall be void.

    ARTICLE 17. MODE OF AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION OF THIS STATE
    https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/CN/htm/CN.17.htm
    (they have to produce 2/3rds vote of both houses to amend the state constitution, and that includes red flag abrogation of article 1, section 23.)




    The reason the above constraints are built into the state constitution as fundamental
    is to stop people just like the house democrat caucus collective
    from doing to individuals
    exactly what they are now doing.

    Texans must insist that rule of law be upheld, and the socialization of rule of law be repudiated, and rejected.



    All that being said, Texas already has a LOT of prohibited persons to deal with, and the number is growing.
    House democrats want to grow that number exponentially, for fun and profit.
    Farming more crime is how they get their way, by human wave attrition.
    We have to understand that he current system of government was never set up to be able to cope with numbers of this scale as a free state,
    it is unreasonable to expect the state to be able to cope with so many prohibited persons,
    and that is what makes red flag an easy sales pitch to manage that what cannot be coped with, an "easy fix", but only at the cost of your claim to being a free state.

    Some alternate means of dealing with the massive number of prohibited persons in Texas will have to be crafted.
    It would be way better if our side crafted red flag on our terms,
    terms that mitigate/constrain the most egregious aspects of California style red flag, under penalty of law,
    otherwise the progressives are intending to import California red flag here, and have already stated they fully intend to expand red flag as a weapon to go after their political enemies.

    TX conservatives are going to have to so what it takes to bring a "better way", to the table, and before it is too late.
    At minimum, that "better way" must explicitly specify clear intent as to hard limits on scope, and qualifiers/disqualifiers of any/all taking by judicial fiat,
    as well as harsh criminal penalties (prison time) imposed for breaching those limits, or abusing/misrepresenting any disenfranchisement, to ensure the due process is guarded and rights of the individual are protected from socialization at least to the equivalent standard of evidence that must be met for felony conviction, and with clear remedy mandated for instances of screw ups, indifference, and/or malicious prosecution, all of which are a guaranteed certainty to be on tap.
    Otherwise all you are doing is handing law enforcement a general warrant and (a profit motive) to red flag everyone they can get, as the default solution ("just to be sure") which is exactly what is happening with red flag laws in CA and MA.

    Such a process is going to be unpleasant sussing out, requiring an uncomfortable amount of political capital to get it done right, necessarily denying the democrats getting their way on their demands, pissing them off to no end thereby.
    After their miserable performance of the legislature last session, frankly I am not confident that Texas republicans are up to the job.
     
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    This story if very fishy.... Since when does a Marine surrender his/her firearms to authorities? I thought they were tougher than that. I am looking for another article confirming this happened.

    EDIT:
    Well. This is not fake..
    Other credible news sources are reporting on this.
    How disappointing.
     
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    AustinN4

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    This story if very fishy.... Since when does a Marine surrender his/her firearms to authorities? I thought they were tougher than that. I am looking for another article confirming this happened.

    EDIT:
    Well. This is not fake..
    Other credible news sources are reporting on this.
    How disappointing.
    What story? Link?
     
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