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  • pronstar

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    1. I never said the Tacoma was built elsewhere, I was referring to Chevrolet being an American company, thus profits and money staying here.
    2. According to le Google, both engines are found in the same number of models. I never said the Colorado engine was used in MORE models, I said it is used in VARIOUS models, thus leading to better parts availability and affordability. The affordability part being mainly due to being domestic. http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/lgx/
    3. The engine in the Tacoma has not been around for decades, it was released in 2015. It had its own problems when it first came out, although they probably worked them out by now. https://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=129

    I don't know if you misread/misinterpreted what I said, but you completely changed what I said.

    1. Where do profits go?
    Shareholders.

    Globally traded company profits don’t stay where they’re headquartered. They get distributed to shareholders and are invested in businesses across the globe.

    If not for China, the Buick brand wouldn’t exist. They’re designed and built in China and Korea, even the ones sold here. Do Buick profits “stay in America”? Methinks not.

    What’s better for America:
    A Tacoma designed, engineered and built in Texas?
    Or a Buick designed, engineered and built in China?

    2 & 3: The Tacoma’s GR V6 came out in 2002. It might be new to the Tacoma, but it’s been used across the Toyota and Lexus lineups globally for a long, long time.

    Camry V6 production alone would dwarf GM Colorado numbers. Heck, the Tacoma outsells the Colorado 2:1, and outsells all other competitors including Colorado combined.

    That’s way more numbers outright, and more models, and more various models, so the advantages you mention for Colorado apply even more to the Toyota motor.

    That being said, this is my garage LOL

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    pronstar

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    Is it possible to modify a Tacoma to make it be more comfortable/ride better than the Colorado? I'm not in the market but I'm curious since this seems to be one of the things people cite in favor of the Colorado.

    Rear Deaver springs, 2.5” King or Fox coilovers up front with 600-lb springs, and custom shock valving to match the springs

    The Tacoma basically went on sale in ‘95, there have been lots of advancements since then...the Colorado a good example of how far things have come.


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    Brains

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    If not for China, the Buick brand wouldn’t exist. They’re designed and built in China and Korea, even the ones sold here. Do Buick profits “stay in America”? Methinks not.
    No, China has their own versions of Buick, and they aren't the same as the models built here. For instance - the USA Enclave is built on the big/long chassis whereas the China one is shorter. The USA Enclave is assembled in Lansing Michigan.
     

    pronstar

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    Ive caught that bit of humorous irony before and think its hilarious that YOU, after being subjected to so much of the industry, drive 2 Chevys.


    That’s because of the below
    They depreciate like crazy, so used/CPO makes a lot of sense.

    Plus GM V8’s paired to their 6-speed auto are largely bulletproof.


    If buying pre-owned, I’d buy a gently used Colorado because they depreciate like crazy. Let the first owner take that hit.



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    A few thoughts.

    I find it interesting that so many that talk about a vehicle lasting forever have never had one with over 500k miles on it.

    Funny how no one mentions the several billion dollar settlement Toyota had for the rusting frame issues on their trucks.

    But I'm not trying to be a Chevy fanboy either. I used to be a Chevy guy, but they just don't seem to hold up past 185k miles in my experience before they start needing constant (every month or two) attention.

    ....
    That being said, this is my garage LOL

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    pronstar

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    With the exception of AFM. I have learned that if you keep your foot in it, it never goes into V4 mode.

    Yeah I disabled it with a Range AFM module on my 2015 Silverado. With 33’s it never really went into V4 mode anyway.

    But the 2018 suburban...it’s more seemless when it transitions between modes, and it’s in V4 a lot, even on the highway. I really can’t believe the fuel efficiency of this big vehicle...23 mpg on the highway
    (Crappy in-town though, not surprisingly...)


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    I have a ‘17 Pro and I love it. However, mine is manual trans, I ordered it that way. I wish Toyota offered a turbo diesel for it. Or put the 4.0L in it. Needs more power if you pull a trailer

    The pro is the smoothest small truck I’ve ever had. Everyone that rides with me says they can’t believe how smooth it is.

    That said, I travel for work, and rented one last year as that’s all they had. An automatic base model v6. What a rough riding, power lacking, dog pile POS that thing was. I would have never considered the new taco if I would have driven that before.
     

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    I have a ‘17 Pro and I love it. However, mine is manual trans, I ordered it that way. I wish Toyota offered a turbo diesel for it. Or put the 4.0L in it. Needs more power if you pull a trailer

    The pro is the smoothest small truck I’ve ever had. Everyone that rides with me says they can’t believe how smooth it is.

    That said, I travel for work, and rented one last year as that’s all they had. An automatic base model v6. What a rough riding, power lacking, dog pile POS that thing was. I would have never considered the new taco if I would have driven that before.

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    I have a ‘17 Pro and I love it. However, mine is manual trans, I ordered it that way. I wish Toyota offered a turbo diesel for it.

    Yeah they really should offer the TD here, but it wasn’t designed for US emissions.

    But like someone above posted, throw enough money at it and you can have one, with all genuine Toyota parts




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    Byrd666

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    Just as a point of note: The Toyota Tacoma and Tundra, as well as the Honda Ridgeline have composite type beds. That means, mounting a scooter lift, or crane, is not possible in any of those vehicles. A metal type bed is required for mounting of those units. A trailer hitch mount for ramp type transport of a scooter is still an option for those vehicles that can be fitted with the hitch.

    A Colorado is what it will be for me.

    Thanks to all that passed along info. and insight.
     

    just country

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    morning, this is an apple and oranges conversation.
    I've had 4 ford rangers. never had a problem. general
    maintenance. now I've had 5 gmc's. one of the best trks
    around. general maintenance. gmc builds trks.
    I had a 2010 F-250 fully loaded. loved the trk,
    but the front ends on will cause problems.
    will have to put a damper shock on the steering rod
    in the front end. justme gbot tum
     

    Big Green

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    @Byrd666 Per the fanboy thread, I feel obliged, though somewhat hesitant to interject because of thread drift, to suggest the Jeep Gladiator. Does not have a composite bed and is pure American badass (IMHO), :cool:.

    Having said my fanboy peace, the Colorado seems to be a good truck unless you haul a trailer. A GOOD friend of mine recently hauled a 4Klb trailer out west with a Colorado diesel. He had the truck for about six months prior with no issues. He has always been a full-size guy, Ram 2500+, Cummins, Chevy trucks of all flavors for several years.

    The Colorado, in his opinion, does not do pulling.

    Normal OPS, it’s probably fine. For your needs, it seems more than adequate.
     

    Hoji

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    I have a ‘17 Pro and I love it. However, mine is manual trans, I ordered it that way. I wish Toyota offered a turbo diesel for it. Or put the 4.0L in it. Needs more power if you pull a trailer

    The pro is the smoothest small truck I’ve ever had. Everyone that rides with me says they can’t believe how smooth it is.

    That said, I travel for work, and rented one last year as that’s all they had. An automatic base model v6. What a rough riding, power lacking, dog pile POS that thing was. I would have never considered the new taco if I would have driven that before.
    My 2015 Tacoma 4x4 is a manual 6 speed and has the 4.0 engine. It is pretty awesome.
     

    Brains

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    Composite bed? Can't call it a truck if it has a composite bed. Even aluminum is really pushing it.
     
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