Shouldn't automatics be oiled?

[Coiled]

OP implies an extremely short amount of trigger time, that's why I asked about his experience.

 

[Hoji]

OP implies an extremely short amount of trigger time, that's why I asked about his experience.

Oh, I agree with that hypothesis completely, but just getting one’s LTC is not an automatic flag for inexperienced shooter.

 

[Coiled]

Oh, I agree with that hypothesis completely, but just getting one’s LTC is not an automatic flag for inexperienced shooter.

Which is why I also quoted a portion of his 1st post on TGT.

 

[Hoji]

Which is why I also quoted a portion of his 1st post on TGT.

I was 18 or 19 when I “purchased” my first firearm( Marlin model 60) I had been shooting for 14 or 15 years at that point.

 

[Coiled]

I get it Hoji so again, that's why I asked about his experience.

 

[Kar98]

Please note that the gun came from the manufacturer with lubrication in it.

My Walthers and all the Glocks in this household came bone-dry, LOL.

 

[Kar98]

In all fairness, I shot and carried for decades before I got my CHL/LTC

Yeah, but did you just now buy your first firearm, right at the same time you got your license and did you then join a security team?

This crap right there is why we can't have nice things.

 

[Hoji]

Yeah, but did you just now buy your first firearm, right at the same time you got your license and did you then join a security team?

This crap right there is why we can't have nice things.

As I said above;
I was 18 or 19 when I “purchased” my first firearm( Marlin model 60) I had been shooting for 14 or 15 years at that point.
The OP has not( as far as I have read) stated that he has been shooting for a couple of weeks.

 

[Reinz]

This last page and a half reminds me of Abbot and Costello’s, “Who’s on first”.

 

[seeker_two]

I wonder.....

Traditionally, we shoot our guns, disassemble them, clean them, reassemble them, then put them to use in carry or HD.

Would it make more sense to clean them first, then shoot them? That way, you know they are functioning properly before you have to rely on them.

Your thoughts?

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[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

I once proposed we not clean the house for arriving company, but clean it after they're gone.

SWMBO didn't agree, too logical.........

 

[zackmars]

I wonder.....

Traditionally, we shoot our guns, disassemble them, clean them, reassemble them, then put them to use in carry or HD.

Would it make more sense to clean them first, then shoot them? That way, you know they are functioning properly before you have to rely on them.

Your thoughts?

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Function check, ie, rack the slide a few times, dry fire, check any controls, etc will ensure your gun works.

Modern guns, generally speaking aren't complicated enough to warrant live firing to check function. If you incorrectly assemble it, it can be very obvious

 

[Reinz]

I won’t rely on any carry or defense gun until it runs 200-250 consecutive rounds without a problem.

‘If there is a problem down the road after that test then we start all over.

 

[Hoji]

I won’t rely on any carry or defense gun until it runs 200-250 consecutive rounds without a problem.

‘If there is a problem down the road after that test then we start all over.

This. I have a Springfield EMP that was either built at quitting time on Friday or on a Monday following a holiday weekend. Would not go bang a lot, and when it did, it would jam. Every type of ammo, every magazine.
I was pissed. Sent it back to them and they promptly fixed/replaced everything that was wrong with it( big list and I would have to dig up the repair inventory they sent back to list them)
I was VERY concerned with carrying this pistol as a primary carry gun.

After several hundred rounds of various ammo, both range and duty rounds, without a hiccup I am confident in the gun again.

 

[Reinz]

This. I have a Springfield EMP that was either built at quitting time on Friday or on a Monday following a holiday weekend. Would not go bang a lot, and when it did, it would jam. Every type of ammo, every magazine.
I was pissed. Sent it back to them and they promptly fixed/replaced everything that was wrong with it( big list and I would have to dig up the repair inventory they sent back to list them)
I was VERY concerned with carrying this pistol as a primary carry gun.

After several hundred rounds of various ammo, both range and duty rounds, without a hiccup I am confident in the gun again.

I definitely see why you were concerned. Someone sure dropped the ball. To add to your analysis; maybe a disgruntled employee.

I have an EMP, as did my Dad and Brother when alive. We never had a single issue with ours.

 

[Hoji]

I have an EMP, as did my Dad and Brother when alive. We never had a single issue with ours.

Pissed is a little understated, lol. Almost a grand on a carry gun and it didn’t work.
Now that it works it is stupidly accurate and a lot of fun to shoot.

 

[Dawico]

I wonder.....

Traditionally, we shoot our guns, disassemble them, clean them, reassemble them, then put them to use in carry or HD.

Would it make more sense to clean them first, then shoot them? That way, you know they are functioning properly before you have to rely on them.

Your thoughts?

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I don't wipe before I poop. Not sure if that's normal or not.

 

[Ioannes]

Some exceptions exist. For example, the Robar coating has a natural lubricity. Unfortunately, the company went out of business in 2019, and it's not going to be possible to get a similar business approved by environmental authorities. In all other cases, firearms need lubrication. Sometimes more, sometimes less.

And yes, it differs, and the official manuals specify the lubrication regime. In case of Walther PPQ, for instance, some of the lubrication points are metal-to-plastic. So it's not just metal-on-metal that may need oil.

In certain extreme cases, even a specific lubricant may be specified. For example, Boberg XR9-S and family required a specific grease on the lugs of the rotating barrel. Coincidentally, it was a nasty, dark stuff that left spots everywhere. When Bond Arms acquired the Boberg line of the pistols, the biggest change they made was re-designing the profile of the cam and pin, so as to remove a need for a special lube. You can use a regular axle grease for Boberg Bullpup now. It just shows that trusting the manual is the right thing to do.

A Glock can run dry, purely because it's a robust design with deep margins. But if the manufacturer tells you to oil it, then do it.

Just an update on Robar. Their sister company Coating Technologies is alive and well.

Wright Armory in Mesa, AZ is the gunsmith who will do the work that Robar used to do. Cajun Gunworks as well.

https://wrightarmory.com/np3-metal-finishing/

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[IXLR8]

As an alternative to oil...
Frog lube. When applied according to instructions, it reduces friction and protects against corrosion. I have had excellent success with it. It also works well when liberally applied to suppressors.

My father in law had big problem with his machine tools rusting here in high humidity Houston. I applied Frog lube according to the instructions and they never rusted again. There was a test done by one of the gun websites that tested every lube I had ever heard of in a number of tests. It was particularly good, top of the list at long term preventing corrosion.

 

[zackmars]

As an alternative to oil...
Frog lube. When applied according to instructions, it reduces friction and protects against corrosion. I have had excellent success with it. It also works well when liberally applied to suppressors.

My father in law had big problem with his machine tools rusting here in high humidity Houston. I applied Frog lube according to the instructions and they never rusted again. There was a test done by one of the gun websites that tested every lube I had ever heard of in a number of tests. It was particularly good, top of the list at long term preventing corrosion.

NO. froglube the the single worst thing you can put on a gun. Maybe tied with loctite, and thats a big maybe.

The problem with froglube is that it solidifies at lower temps, and at room temperature its on the way there. Sure, when it gets hot it's nice and fluid, but if it's a carry gun, you are aren't going to be shooting a magazine every 10 minutes to keep it from turning into a solid.

And it doesn't matter how close you follow directions.