I want to get into long range... HELP

[Younggun]

You can get an AR-10 that will match the accuracy of a bolt gun (generally speaking), but it will cost a lot more to do it.


As far as hunting, it’s a whole different game than just long range shooting. With long range shooting you might be off with the first shot. You just correct and keep going.

With long range hunting you have to make the first shot count.


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[FireInTheWire]

Do you shoot suppressed or going to?

 

[lightflyer1]

After shooting out to 1000 yards while in the military, I would advise you to limit yourself to 300 to 400 yards until you consistently hit your target. Hunting I shoot at even less distance. Don't want to wound and have them run off and have to track them down. When people are involved, shooting isn't the only thing either. You can't be seen or found either. Lots and lots of training and ammo go into that. Unless you have a large amount of disposable income, I would practice closer. As far as bolt or semi auto, get both. Bolt for long range and AR15 for close up. Use the right tool for the job.

 

[just country]

morning, yesterday on shooting USA TV program. there was
a long range shooting. ammergadden sp shoot. top long range
shooters were invited to this range. each match that a shooter
shot in the shooter could win $1000. top prize was $21,000.
I never got what caliber most of shooter were using.
308, 223 and 6ppc looked like most calibers used. a few
semi's, lots of bolt gun. very interesting. the shooters
in this match were very good. justme gbot tum
I realize that this is not ur cup of tea.

 

[Vaquero]

Hey fellas! Thanks so much for all of the info and opinions, as well as pointers based on experience.

So my goal is hunting out to 500 yards, but I've never hunted so to me that is just a "just in case" number. I want to get into it, and get my sons involved. I come from a humble family, but not a very self sustaining minded family and I want to teach me sons how to fend for themselves.

Second is that I want to be able to sit on a hill and pop would be "bad guys" from as far away as realistic without having to be a special forces sniper, if the world or country goes to poop. I don't intend on walking around looking for trouble, but being able to defend my homestead from far enough away that any advancements would be thought twice about.

As to the question on where I shoot and how far, there are places in the desert (El Paso) and NM that if you pick a good spot, you can get a good 400 yards away from a back drop and pop off all day and night. Probably even further. So I can practice all I want.

This leads to the question of wether or not I HAVE actually practiced with what I've got and the answer is NO. Long range, no. I shoot all the time but it's always out to about 100 yards and in and not for a study of wind and what not, but just to have fun and at least hit an 8" plate.

Thanks for the link to that sale. I had no clue a 308, ar10 lower can be had for that price.

Last, with all of the great posts, I'm still left questioning whether it would be better to have an AR10, or a bolt rifle. My inexperienced mind say an AR10 is better just in case I have to use it like a regular ar (semi auto gun fight from close proximity), but I've read that bolt guns are more accurate and better for follow ups.

I should had added a pole for those. So what's it gonna be? Should I start with a bolt or AR10?

You guys are the best. Thank you for educating me.

AR10. It's a great platform and a great cartridge.
Spend about that much more on a scope. (The research will drive you up the wall)
Soon enough, you'll know if you're going to dig deeper or it's just not your thing. The AR will hold value pretty well, if you back out. Scopes and bolt guns? Maybe, maybe not.
The .308 ammo is always worth what it's selling for now.

 

[JColumbus]

Do you shoot suppressed or going to?

Probably not. To be honest, I don't like all of the rules of NFA items. That's the real only reason I've not done it by now. I've heard suppressed in person and I wasn't amazed with the not so movie like silence. BUT I do intend on getting one when I'm set up for subsonic 300, for a long time. Never heard THAT, but seeing the fellas shooting with no ears on in the videos is impressive.

 

[JColumbus]

AR10. It's a great platform and a great cartridge.
Spend about that much more on a scope. (The research will drive you up the wall)
Soon enough, you'll know if you're going to dig deeper or it's just not your thing. The AR will hold value pretty well, if you back out. Scopes and bolt guns? Maybe, maybe not.
The .308 ammo is always worth what it's selling for now.

I have two problems that might bight me in the ass.

1: I love to research. It's a hobby of mine.

2: I like to do what I do well and I LOVE to do what I don't well, so that I can do it well, eventually.

Looks like I'm in for the long haul, sir.

 

[Vaquero]

Do you reload? If not, you probably will soon enough.
Go ahead and research chronographs while you're at it.
You'll need to know your muzzle velocity.

 

[orbitup]

Trying to decide on a scope is going to be harder than the rifle.

 

[JColumbus]

AR10 IT IS!

Going to buy the one in the linked post, probably.

OH LAST QUESTION!

Which caliber is the best then, 308, or 6.5 creedmore?

My plan, as of this thread's info:

-Build AR 10 in 308 or 6.5 and the other way later on.

-Buy the scope used in the Rex Reviews video, or something like it. (@orbitup)

-Practice with what I do have while building it.

-When I inevitably get sucked in, spend bigger bucks on a sick ass bolt gun.

Do you reload? If not, you probably will soon enough.
Go ahead and research chronographs while you're at it.
You'll need to know your muzzle velocity.

I do not reload but wanted to around the time when I was researching it, it was said to not save much money unless you were reloading big expensive rounds. I don't think I will do it just to customize me loads, but I will to save money.

I will definitely buy a chronograph.

 

[Vaquero]

If you're not going to reload right away, get a .308.
The factory ammo is most predictable. The 6.5 is a really sweet round for reloading. The current factory offerings seem to be somewhat unpredictable. Based on my observations.

 

[Vaquero]

Or, just jump on in.https://www.texasguntalk.com/threads/howa-american-flag-chassis-rifle-bryan-college-station.95818/

 

[avvidclif]

Or, just jump on in.https://www.texasguntalk.com/threads/howa-american-flag-chassis-rifle-bryan-college-station.95818/

I have the same thing w/o the fancy paint job in 6.5CM. Hornady American Gunner best 5 shot group is just under .3". My reloads run abt .4", still have some work to do but got sidetracked with a Begara HMR14 in 308. Reloads currently at .8" and Factory Creedmoor (yes they make ammo) abt .6. Those are on a good day when all of my little ducks line up.

Scopes are different on mine though.

 

[robertc1024]

Trying to decide on a scope is going to be harder than the rifle.

Amen. I have several rifles with the scope being 2x over the rifle cost.

 

[TxStetson]

If you're not going to reload right away, get a .308.
The factory ammo is most predictable. The 6.5 is a really sweet round for reloading. The current factory offerings seem to be somewhat unpredictable. Based on my observations.

I feel like you’re talking about me here.

 

[Younggun]

If you're not going to reload right away, get a .308.
The factory ammo is most predictable. The 6.5 is a really sweet round for reloading. The current factory offerings seem to be somewhat unpredictable. Based on my observations.

I will say I’ve been really impressed with with Hornady Black 6.5 CM ammunition. It’s not as good as I can do tailoring my loads, but plenty respectable and not very expensive. Only downside is the 140gr instead of 147gr bullets.

Haven’t tried any other off the shelf ammo. Tend to avoid it.


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[Younggun]

AR10 IT IS!

Going to buy the one in the linked post, probably.

OH LAST QUESTION!

Which caliber is the best then, 308, or 6.5 creedmore?

My plan, as of this thread's info:

-Build AR 10 in 308 or 6.5 and the other way later on.

-Buy the scope used in the Rex Reviews video, or something like it. (@orbitup)

-Practice with what I do have while building it.

-When I inevitably get sucked in, spend bigger bucks on a sick ass bolt gun.



I do not reload but wanted to around the time when I was researching it, it was said to not save much money unless you were reloading big expensive rounds. I don't think I will do it just to customize me loads, but I will to save money.

I will definitely buy a chronograph.

If you’re gonna load your own for long range you will be amazed at what you can achieve by just tinkering with different powders and charges.

For handguns and range ammo for the AR it’s a money game. Either worth it or not. For reaching out to touch something it’s all about letting the rifle perform to its maximum potential. There is a rabbit hole there too that starts at charge weight and ends with expensive brass, sorted, trimmed, annealed, primer pockets worked..bullets sorted by weight, length, ogive, meplat uniformers, etc. You can usually get 95% of the results by just finding the right bullet and tinkering with charge weights and AOL with decent brass though. Once you have the load worked out, you just keep making them that way. And it’s almost always going to be quite a bit cheaper than buying ammunition of comparable quality off the shelf.


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[Big Green]

-When I inevitably get sucked in, spend bigger bucks on a sick ass bolt gun.

Or stay with gas. I’ve always wanted the GAP-10.

https://www.gaprecision.net/gap-10-g2.html

 

[FireInTheWire]

As far as glass goes. Just stay with Burris or Vortex. They have a no questions asked, forever warranty.

Damn good glass around the $400-$1300 range.

 

[deemus]

AR10. It's a great platform and a great cartridge.
Spend about that much more on a scope. (The research will drive you up the wall).

True words. Lots of choices. And I paid about the same for my scope as I did my upper.