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  • jrbfishn

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    And since humans know all there is to know about the universe and we can't travel that far it is impossible for any other planet to have a creature smart enough to do it...

    Right????

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    And since humans know all there is to know about the universe and we can't travel that far it is impossible for any other planet to have a creature smart enough to do it...

    Right????

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    No way.
    We should never be so arrogant as to proclaim such a thing.

    I just think physics is an absolute limit.
    Were interstellar travel possible within the constraint of said physics, something or someone would have visited us.
    We have not a hint that that has ever happened.
     

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    Just arrived home from Austin after giving an address to a large group of women executives on human reproductive evolutionary physiology.

    What really humbles me....
    And I readily recognize that this causes some existential consternation.....accepted.......



    Simply amazing that you and I have a common ancestor with porcupines, pineapples, protozoa and all poultry!!!

    Life IS amazing.
    And indeed, we may be utterly unique in our universe. Oh, how I wish I could know.

    HKS

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    jrbfishn

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    No way.
    We should never be so arrogant as to proclaim such a thing.

    I just think physics is an absolute limit.
    Were interstellar travel possible within the constraint of said physics, something or someone would have visited us.
    We have not a hint that that has ever happened.
    Really???
    They find out all the time that the "truth" they absolutely know about physics is, ,,WRONG.
    They have been finding that their "truth" and "limits" are wrong for centuries. IIRC, that was one of Einstein's thoughts were. That physics is infinite. That what even him and others knew was but a tiny bit of it. Given what man has learned since, it was. That what we know now still is, compared to what is there to learn. Not to mention what we think we know that may be all wrong.
    Ok, go ahead, depend on what is already known. If humans had done that from the beginning, we would still be living in trees.

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    Just because we are ignorant of whether or not life exists elsewhere does not mean there is not life elsewhere. I find it hard to believe, almost impossible to fathom, that life is absent except for here. In fact, I believe it highly likely life exists on other planets or in other venues, there is almost no doubt in my mind since the universe is so big. Then again, I am fairly certain that all of the life I will ever get to enjoy is located right here on earth. Yet, I still take the advice given at the end of the 1951 movie The Thing From Another World - "Watch the skies" and I also own a 44 REM MAG revolver and a 300 WIN MAG rifle just in case.

    Read some of the books by Hugh Ross. You'll see that all the important parameters for life like ours to exist are finely tuned. The size of the universe doesn't increase the likelihood of life elsewhere. Sure, there may be something like mold or algae, but not intelligent life. A mathematical impossibility, backed by unbiased agnostic science.
     

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    Read some of the books by Hugh Ross. You'll see that all the important parameters for life like ours to exist are finely tuned. The size of the universe doesn't increase the likelihood of life elsewhere. Sure, there may be something like mold or algae, but not intelligent life. A mathematical impossibility, backed by unbiased agnostic science.

    So it's a mathematical impossibility that it has happened AGAIN?

    That doesn't even make sense and I don't buy it.
     

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    Fortunately it is likely that visitors from other worlds have never been here and will never be here. The distances are too great and the physics utterly immutable.

    Though I never say never.
    I firmly believe we have already been visited multiple times.

    Where are we going to be in a few hundred or more years with our technology? Now imagine another intelligent species being at the point we are at ten thousand or more years ago.

    All it is going to take is one moment or event to change everything that we know is true.
     

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    Where are we going to be in a few hundred or more years with our technology? Now imagine another intelligent species being at the point we are at ten thousand or more years ago.

    You must be forgetting we only have 12 years left, the scientific minds of Ocrazy-o and the Bern keep reminding us!
     

    jrbfishn

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    Read some of the books by Hugh Ross. You'll see that all the important parameters for life like ours to exist are finely tuned. The size of the universe doesn't increase the likelihood of life elsewhere. Sure, there may be something like mold or algae, but not intelligent life. A mathematical impossibility, backed by unbiased agnostic science.
    Math lies.
    And I can prove it.
    There is one, and only one, absolute in life.
    You are not getting out of it alive. Everything else is relative.


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    Math lies.
    And I can prove it.
    There is one, and only one, absolute in life.
    You are not getting out of it alive. Everything else is relative.


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    Younggun

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    Read some of the books by Hugh Ross. You'll see that all the important parameters for life like ours to exist are finely tuned. The size of the universe doesn't increase the likelihood of life elsewhere. Sure, there may be something like mold or algae, but not intelligent life. A mathematical impossibility, backed by unbiased agnostic science.

    I don’t know who that is or how he came to that conclusion, but the very claim that the size of the universe (number of stars, planets, etc) has no effect is incorrect.


    Although it’s true that there is no mathematical increase that any random planet would harbor life, the odds that at least one other planet harboring intelligent life of some form will increase as the number of planets increases. There are around 250 billion stars in our galaxy alone. Our nearest neighboring galaxy is estimated to have around 1 trillion. There are an estimated 2 trillion galaxies in the visible universe. And the visible universe is only a small portion of the actual universe.

    It’s like having a magic number between 1 and 1 billion. You can pick a number each time and there is only a 1/1billion chance you will hit the magic number. But if you get 1billion chances the odds of hitting the magic number at least once will be much greater.

    I’d also point out that “perfect” conditions aren’t required for life. A few basic things need to be in place, but just looking at the variety of life on this planets and the wide variety of conditions in which it thrives we can see that a variety of conditions will work. We can also look at the history of our planet to see that it wasn’t always as comfortable as it is today.

    Had Mars maintained a molten core there is a (relatively) good chance we would have had intelligent alien life right next door.


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    WE were "taken for a ride...."
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    avvidclif

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    Math lies.
    And I can prove it.
    There is one, and only one, absolute in life.
    You are not getting out of it alive. Everything else is relative.


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    Wrong again. Define alive in your limited knowledge of what that is. Perchance there are other forms you're not aware of? Ever study paranormal behavior?
     

    jrbfishn

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    What comes after what we call life is unknown and unproven.
    What we, at the present time, call life,,,,,you are not leaving it alive. When you have proof otherwise, I will be happy to listen.
    Nature, anywhere in the universe, wastes nothing. Everything is used, re-used and re-cycled over and over. Whatever you choose to call the force that gives us what we call "life" also will. How and where is still up to debate.
    What we call "paranormal" is also still up for debate. As long as we are still burying our "dead" my statement holds true. What we call life, you are not leaving alive.

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