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  • Should Police be de-funded / dismantled

    • Yes

      Votes: 16 15.8%
    • No

      Votes: 85 84.2%

    • Total voters
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    popper

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    Let's get rid of police, courts, judges and then no real need for politics. No need for tv news so just vid games. Open carry for those that have.
     

    Kar98

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    So making such blanket statements is something you consider wise to do?

    I guess if I'm as smart as you I should probably just shoot a few family members that are in LE?

    I guess I'm not as smart as you think I am.

    And there's the reason I'm not engaging on your level of insinuation and strawman arguments. You go ahead and imagine I said whatever it is you imagined I said, argue against it in your head and pat yourself on the back when you win.
     

    Axxe55

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    And there's the reason I'm not engaging on your level of insinuation and strawman arguments. You go ahead and imagine I said whatever it is you imagined I said, argue against it in your head and pat yourself on the back when you win.

    Whatever floats your boat. Seems maybe I hit a nerve with my questions to you?

    Just curious, are you fronting for ANTIFA, or the BLM movement?
     

    Kar98

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    Whatever floats your boat. Seems maybe I hit a nerve with my questions to you?

    Just curious, are you fronting for ANTIFA, or the BLM movement?

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    Whistler

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    I continue to be baffled by the continued jackboot licking coming from many people. When has THIS become a thing, even?

    Completely undisirregardlessly of the intentions, motives, organizers of the current goings-on, the police, local, state or federal are NOT your friend, and we all knew this once. Was it the post 9/11 "first responder hero" idolatry that changed this, or did I miss something else? JBTs are gonna JBT. They're gonna drop bombs on you, they're gonna bayonet you, they're gonna shoot you in your sleep and stomp your cat and then sprinkle some crack on you.

    Its a little light on societal collapse and genocide but I can drink to it... I give it a 6.8
     

    Sasquatch

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    I'd be down for disbanding local / municipal and state PD's, and all but one Federal law enforcement agency. Cede policing back to elected Sheriffs or Marshals who then appoint deputies that answer to him (or her, to be PC) and who don't have blanket protections from unions or qualified immunity. If a cop screws the pooch they should be held civilly and criminally liable as an individual, vs the taxpayers bearing the brunt of the bill when a cop fucks up.

    States don't need their own police forces.

    As for the feds - get rid of all of them except the US Marshal Service. Turn investigative duties that are handled by the 3 dozen + agencies over to them, but keep the agency to a minimal size. The Secret Service likewise can be disbanded and their duties to investigate and pursue treasury issues along with executive protection can likewise be the responsibility of the USMS. Executive protection can even fall upon elements from the US Military - as executive protection in and of itself does not need to be a law enforcement function. President / VP body guards can be members picked from special forces.

    We could wipe the Federal law books clean of almost every law and be fine. Let the states handle things on a local level, while respecting the US constitution. We don't need redundant shit from local, county, state, and federal levels.

    We can also take on personal responsibility (gasp!) for our own safety and security and realize that government isn't there to help - police are usually responsive and not proactive, and the biggest thing they do besides revenue generation from traffic enforcement is show up AFTER a crime has been committed and take a report and maybe do an investigation. You don't even need armed sworn individuals to conduct investigations - only sworn armed agents to apprehend fugitives. That can be tasked to the sheriffs / marshals.

    Every damned fifedom and seperate government agency seems to have their own sworn police / agents, and thats too much policing redundancy. We don't need city cops, county cops, state cops, seperate game wardens, traffic cops, DOT cops, patrol cops, post office cops, park rangers, park police, BLM cops, DEA, ATF, FBI, etc etc etc. Too many laws as a means to justify all the people to enforce them.

    Problem stems from Congress and each state's legislative bodies being made up of people who see themselves as "Law Makers" and not representatives of the people. They don't NEED to make new laws each time they meet. Show up, craft a goddamned budget, address any important issues, and go the **** home. We need a law, it seems, that would mandate that for every NEW law passed, at least two must be removed from the books.

    Its just like police have transformed from "peace officers" to "law enforcement officers" - its a cultural shift that needs to shift back.
     

    oldag

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    All local PDs should be dismantled, most state and federal PDs as well. County Sheriffs will be elected and assemble peace officers for their respective counties. If they are held to the will of the vote things change quite a bit. The movement towards municipal police forces started in the last half of the 20th century and it's lead to the militarization of the police. That's a bad thing. Police forces do not need APCs and fucking tanks but they have them.

    Let's bring law enforcement back to it's local roots.
    That is dream land. How many elected officials have been held to the will of the voters during this stupid virus hysteria? None.
     

    oldag

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    It will make no difference whether it is local PD or sheriff. Same problems will exist.

    Both will have their bad apples.

    Could be worse, possibly, if all LE concentrated under one person.
     

    Whistler

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    Sheriff's deputies still report to politicians.

    Yeah I know and like I've said a time or three I'm trying to say get back to community policing. Protect and Serve not Swat, Mayberry instead of Robocop. I dont know the answer but maybe by having a conversation instead of 'gotchas' we might find one.

    So I've seen plenty of 'can't' how about a little 'can'? Hell I'd settle for a 'try'.
     

    oldag

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    Yeah I know and like I've said a time or three I'm trying to say get back to community policing. Protect and Serve not Swat, Mayberry instead of Robocop. I dont know the answer but maybe by having a conversation instead of 'gotchas' we might find one.

    So I've seen plenty of 'can't' how about a little 'can'? Hell I'd settle for a 'try'.
    Fix what we have got, instead of tearing everything down.

    Outlaw unions for LEO's, so that the rare bad apple can be disciplined up to and including dismissal.

    Legislation to allow PD's to let prospective hiring PD's to know that someone was discharged for cause (without fear of a lawsuit from the applicant). This would help prevent the bad apple from going to the next town and starting over.

    Legislation to require DPS to approve no knock warrants, and hold DPS accountable if it goes sideways.

    Ideas exist. Getting them into legislation and enacted is another story.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    ....So I've seen plenty of 'can't' how about a little 'can'? Hell I'd settle for a 'try'.

    Try: classify LEOs as public officials instead of simple employees

    Try: remove or severely limit qualified/public duty immunity so that LEOs

    Try: De-link revenue generation from LEO budgets and performance measures

    Try: prohibit self-initiated investigations as a performance metric

    Try: prohibit LEO response to purely civil matters

    Try: limit fishing expeditions based on “I can see it / smell it” in plain view

    Try: change the culture...quit tolerating ‘bad apples and ruthlessly weed out them out

    Try: Expedite trials for LEO criminal behavior.

    Try: Prohibit LE agencies from policing/investigating themselves for criminal activities

    Try: Stop passing legislation/ordinances to “give tools to LE”

    That’s the tip of the iceberg
     

    Whistler

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    Try: classify LEOs as public officials instead of simple employees

    Try: remove or severely limit qualified/public duty immunity so that LEOs

    Try: De-link revenue generation from LEO budgets and performance measures

    Try: prohibit self-initiated investigations as a performance metric

    Try: prohibit LEO response to purely civil matters

    Try: limit fishing expeditions based on “I can see it / smell it” in plain view

    Try: change the culture...quit tolerating ‘bad apples and ruthlessly weed out them out

    Try: Expedite trials for LEO criminal behavior.

    Try: Prohibit LE agencies from policing/investigating themselves for criminal activities

    Try: Stop passing legislation/ordinances to “give tools to LE”

    That’s the tip of the iceberg

    I like it!
     

    Whistler

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    Fix what we have got, instead of tearing everything down.

    Outlaw unions for LEO's, so that the rare bad apple can be disciplined up to and including dismissal.

    Legislation to allow PD's to let prospective hiring PD's to know that someone was discharged for cause (without fear of a lawsuit from the applicant). This would help prevent the bad apple from going to the next town and starting over.

    Legislation to require DPS to approve no knock warrants, and hold DPS accountable if it goes sideways.

    Ideas exist. Getting them into legislation and enacted is another story.

    Sounds like a start especially getting rid of no knock. Maybe a little more listen and a little less 'make'. Do we really need a high speed chase across three counties for a busted tail light? You'll get him eventually, dial it down a click or two.
     

    andre3k

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    It will make no difference whether it is local PD or sheriff. Same problems will exist.

    Both will have their bad apples.

    Could be worse, possibly, if all LE concentrated under one person.
    I think a lot of people aren't seeing this.

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