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  • dapakattack

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    Which party called the police? If the white lady called, hopefully she explained that they were beating on her van and keeping her from leaving and were leaving the scene for safety reasons (which doesn't explain their arrest). If the black mother or daughter called, they could have stated the white woman pulled a gun on them and the man "hit" them w/ the van and fled the scene....hell they could have said anything. This may explain why the husband was arrested.
    Shouldn't go to trial and all charges should be droped (against the white couple). Charges should be brought against the mom and daughter for false imprisonment.
    Crappy thing is, the white couple has to go through the ordeal of being arrested, posting bond, losing their firearms....all because of some hypersensitive-entitled BLM f-tards
     

    tonelar

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    Which party called the police? If the white lady called, hopefully she explained that they were beating on her van and keeping her from leaving and were leaving the scene for safety reasons (which doesn't explain their arrest). If the black mother or daughter called, they could have stated the white woman pulled a gun on them and the man "hit" them w/ the van and fled the scene....hell they could have said anything. This may explain why the husband was arrested.
    Shouldn't go to trial and all charges should be droped (against the white couple). Charges should be brought against the mom and daughter for false imprisonment.
    Crappy thing is, the white couple has to go through the ordeal of being arrested, posting bond, losing their firearms....all because of some hypersensitive-entitled BLM f-tards

    Moral of the story: Dial 9-1-1 first.
     

    oldag

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    Moral of the story: Dial 9-1-1 first.
    One does wonder how it would have turned out if they had called 911 first.

    On second thought, they would be castigated on social media, CNN and MSNBC for having called 911 needlessly on that poor minority woman trying to protect her darling little angel daughter. The racial harassment of it all. Charged with a hate crime and a frivolous 911 call.
     

    Axxe55

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    Which party called the police? If the white lady called, hopefully she explained that they were beating on her van and keeping her from leaving and were leaving the scene for safety reasons (which doesn't explain their arrest). If the black mother or daughter called, they could have stated the white woman pulled a gun on them and the man "hit" them w/ the van and fled the scene....hell they could have said anything. This may explain why the husband was arrested.
    Shouldn't go to trial and all charges should be droped (against the white couple). Charges should be brought against the mom and daughter for false imprisonment.
    Crappy thing is, the white couple has to go through the ordeal of being arrested, posting bond, losing their firearms....all because of some hypersensitive-entitled BLM f-tards

    If you listen to the video, the wife was telling her husband to call the police. Several times she told him, as she was pointing the gun at the black mother, and at the same time backing up.

    Now whether he called 911 or not, I have no idea.
     

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    You can clearly hear the black women threaten to "...beat your ass..". The white couple did try to de-escalate the situation and leave. I don't think this will stand up in court, but it is Kalifornia, so who knows.

    Actually it's a suburb outside of Detroit I think.

    Also added: If the white couple DID call 911, there will be a record of it. That will be evidence their attorney can use for their defense.
     

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    Which party called the police? If the white lady called, hopefully she explained that they were beating on her van and keeping her from leaving and were leaving the scene for safety reasons (which doesn't explain their arrest). If the black mother or daughter called, they could have stated the white woman pulled a gun on them and the man "hit" them w/ the van and fled the scene....hell they could have said anything. This may explain why the husband was arrested.
    Shouldn't go to trial and all charges should be droped (against the white couple). Charges should be brought against the mom and daughter for false imprisonment.
    Crappy thing is, the white couple has to go through the ordeal of being arrested, posting bond, losing their firearms....all because of some hypersensitive-entitled BLM f-tards

    I'm speaking in terms of what we who legally carry firearms ought to take away from this as an operational "lessons learned."

    First lesson: Getting off the first call to 911 is nearly as important as getting off the first shot. Most likely, the police are going to react according to the 911 call.

    Personally, that's the truth of reality, but I don't like that truth. I believe the police should always react according to what they actually see on the scene, not what they get from the 911 call. But it is what it is. The person who calls 911 first will be locked in the minds of the responding police as the victim.

    Second lesson: When you're carrying a gun, any argument can turn into a gunfight. So you have to ask yourself, is this argument worth the trouble of a gunfight?

    When the white woman realized she was dealing with a couple of ignorant jackasses, her only intent should have been to get out of the situation. "Muh rights!" not withstanding, as a gun owner her best tactical move should have been to cut off the back-and-forth argument immediately, get into her car, and get out of the situation.

    Third lesson: The white woman was safely in her car, then she got out and pulled her gun. There is almost never a good tactical reason to leave an operational problem. Race is irrelevant. The true fact that the black women were baiting the white woman is tactically irrelevant. "Muh rights!" is tactically irrelevant.

    There is almost never a good legal or tactical reason to leave an operational vehicle, and this certainly was not an exception to that rule.

    Once in her her car, there was no tactical reason for her to leave it. Even if the ignorant jackass stood behind the car blocking movement, she should never have left the car. She should have called 911 and told them she was being block in her car, and she was armed to defend herself if necessary. That would have brought the police with sirens blaring. They would have found her sitting quietly in her car...and likely the ignorant jackasses would have fled the scene at the sound of the sirens.

    But "muh rights!" Well fine. How much money do you want to spend on that? Maybe this woman will be released without charges, best outcome. But she's going to have to pay significant lawyer fees for that to happen. She's going to pay more than whatever damage that woman would have done to the car.

    There almost never a good legal or tactical reason to leave an operational vehicle. Have I said that before?
     
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    tonelar

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    You can clearly hear the black women threaten to "...beat your ass..". The white couple did try to de-escalate the situation and leave. I don't think this will stand up in court, but it is Kalifornia, so who knows.

    Why’d you think it’s Cali? License plates?
     

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    ****'n sick of this environment in America. If only we didn't sleep while congress passed a bill, making it legal for the MSM to lie to citizens.

    If conservatives don't do something about this takeover, soon, we will quickly see the fruition of "A Republic If You Can Keep It".
     

    Axxe55

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    I'm speaking in terms of what we who legally carry firearms ought to take away from this as an operational "lessons learned."

    First lesson: Getting off the first call to 911 is nearly as important as getting off the first shot. Most likely, the police are going to react according to the 911 call.

    Personally, that's the truth of reality, but I don't like that truth. I believe the police should always react according to what they actually see on the scene, not what they get from the 911 call. But it is what it is. The person who calls 911 first will be locked in the minds of the responding police as the victim.

    Second lesson: When you're carrying a gun, any argument can turn into a gunfight. So you have to ask yourself, is this argument worth the trouble of a gunfight?

    When the white woman realized she was dealing with a couple of ignorant jackasses, her only intent should have been to get out of the situation. "Muh rights!" not withstanding, as a gun owner her best tactical move should have been to cut off the back-and-forth argument immediately, get into her car, and get out of the situation.

    Third lesson: The white woman was safely in her car, then she got out and pulled her gun. There is almost never a good tactical reason to leave an operational problem. Race is irrelevant. The true fact that the black women were baiting the white woman is tactically irrelevant. "Muh rights!" is tactically irrelevant.

    There is almost never a good legal or tactical reason to leave an operational vehicle, and this certainly was not an exception to that rule.

    Once in her her car, there was no tactical reason for her to leave it. Even if the ignorant jackass stood behind the car blocking movement, she should never have left the car. She should have called 911 and told them she was being block in her car, and she was armed to defend herself if necessary. That would have brought the police with sirens blaring. They would have found her sitting quietly in her car...and likely the ignorant jackasses would have fled the scene at the sound of the sirens.

    But "muh rights!" Well fine. How much money do you want to spend on that? Maybe this woman will be released without charges, best outcome. But she's going to have to pay significant lawyer fees for that to happen. She's going to pay more than whatever damage that woman would have done to the car.

    There almost never a good legal or tactical reason to leave an operational vehicle. Have I said that before?


    Are you just assuming the white couple didn't call 911, or you have some proof they didn't? Because I clearly heard the wife, several times while backing away from the black mother, for her husband to call the police. Now whether he actually called them, that's another story.

    Second lesson? So just because of any discussion is possibly going to turn to an argument, and any argument can turn into a gun fight, you need to be concerned if you carry? Maybe you really should seek out some counseling, instead of carrying a gun. Seriously I mean that. If you get into an argument, and your temper is that touchy that you go to your gun, YOU have no business carrying any gun in public. NONE!

    And it you watched the videos, you would clearly know that the white couple tried several times to de-escalate, and apologise, and then TRIED to leave.

    Third lesson? Crap too. She exited because she thought they were being attacked. I seriously doubt she has had military training, so cut her some slack, seriously. She did nothing wrong that I can see, and I clearly would probably have done exactly as she did in that situation.

    And yes, it is about rights. The right to protect and defend yourself, your loved ones and even your property. Did the fact that the white woman is pregnant seem to concern you? Apparently not.

    You are just like all the other Monday morning armchair quarterbacks, sitting back and criticizing what others did or didn't do in particular situation. Bragging or crowing on how it should have been done, or how you would have done it differently. Here's a news flash for you and those like you. You weren't there, and she was. She probably did the best she thought in that situation. So cut her some slack Rambo!
     

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    Are you just assuming the white couple didn't call 911, or you have some proof they didn't? Because I clearly heard the wife, several times while backing away from the black mother, for her husband to call the police. Now whether he actually called them, that's another story.

    Second lesson? So just because of any discussion is possibly going to turn to an argument, and any argument can turn into a gun fight, you need to be concerned if you carry? Maybe you really should seek out some counseling, instead of carrying a gun. Seriously I mean that. If you get into an argument, and your temper is that touchy that you go to your gun, YOU have no business carrying any gun in public. NONE!

    And it you watched the videos, you would clearly know that the white couple tried several times to de-escalate, and apologise, and then TRIED to leave.

    Third lesson? Crap too. She exited because she thought they were being attacked. I seriously doubt she has had military training, so cut her some slack, seriously. She did nothing wrong that I can see, and I clearly would probably have done exactly as she did in that situation.

    And yes, it is about rights. The right to protect and defend yourself, your loved ones and even your property. Did the fact that the white woman is pregnant seem to concern you? Apparently not.

    You are just like all the other Monday morning armchair quarterbacks, sitting back and criticizing what others did or didn't do in particular situation. Bragging or crowing on how it should have been done, or how you would have done it differently. Here's a news flash for you and those like you. You weren't there, and she was. She probably did the best she thought in that situation. So cut her some slack Rambo!
    Um, we can look at her actions and learn lessons. It's not a personal attack. An after action debriefing seems like a good idea.

    Getting out of the car was a mistake.
     

    SQLGeek

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    Getting out of the car was a mistake.

    In hindsight that's easy to say and it probably was. But if you expect a gunfight coming, staying in the car puts you at a significant disadvantage.

    The aggressors were so unhinged, the idea of one of them running up and popping some rounds into the car is not far fetched. It's happened many times before.
     

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    Um, we can look at her actions and learn lessons. It's not a personal attack. An after action debriefing seems like a good idea.

    Getting out of the car was a mistake.

    Valid point. But I'll stand by my previous post.

    It's not necessarily the content of the message, or it's context, but he seemed to be hyper-critical of what she did or didn't do, and seemed to be making assumptions about facts we don't have yet.

    The tone of the post came off sounding a bit condescending to me. Maybe I'm wrong. He is free to come back and correct me if I am.
     

    oldag

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    I'm speaking in terms of what we who legally carry firearms ought to take away from this as an operational "lessons learned."

    First lesson: Getting off the first call to 911 is nearly as important as getting off the first shot. Most likely, the police are going to react according to the 911 call.

    Personally, that's the truth of reality, but I don't like that truth. I believe the police should always react according to what they actually see on the scene, not what they get from the 911 call. But it is what it is. The person who calls 911 first will be locked in the minds of the responding police as the victim.

    Second lesson: When you're carrying a gun, any argument can turn into a gunfight. So you have to ask yourself, is this argument worth the trouble of a gunfight?

    When the white woman realized she was dealing with a couple of ignorant jackasses, her only intent should have been to get out of the situation. "Muh rights!" not withstanding, as a gun owner her best tactical move should have been to cut off the back-and-forth argument immediately, get into her car, and get out of the situation.

    Third lesson: The white woman was safely in her car, then she got out and pulled her gun. There is almost never a good tactical reason to leave an operational problem. Race is irrelevant. The true fact that the black women were baiting the white woman is tactically irrelevant. "Muh rights!" is tactically irrelevant.

    There is almost never a good legal or tactical reason to leave an operational vehicle, and this certainly was not an exception to that rule.

    Once in her her car, there was no tactical reason for her to leave it. Even if the ignorant jackass stood behind the car blocking movement, she should never have left the car. She should have called 911 and told them she was being block in her car, and she was armed to defend herself if necessary. That would have brought the police with sirens blaring. They would have found her sitting quietly in her car...and likely the ignorant jackasses would have fled the scene at the sound of the sirens.

    But "muh rights!" Well fine. How much money do you want to spend on that? Maybe this woman will be released without charges, best outcome. But she's going to have to pay significant lawyer fees for that to happen. She's going to pay more than whatever damage that woman would have done to the car.

    There almost never a good legal or tactical reason to leave an operational vehicle. Have I said that before?

    I did have one question for you. Do you think there is ever a good tactical reason to leave an operational vehicle (as opposed to an unoperational vehicle)?
     

    Axxe55

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    In hindsight that's easy to say and it probably was. But if you expect a gunfight coming, staying in the car puts you at a significant disadvantage.

    The aggressors were so unhinged, the idea of one of them running up and popping some rounds into the car is not far fetched. It's happened many times before.


    Sort of the way I see it is, there isn't a right or wrong answer to staying in the vehicle, or getting out of it.

    The vehicle does afford some protection, but, you're limited in being able to get away from fun fire in the vehicle. Out of the vehicle, you clearly can be much more mobile and possibly less of a target, but now have little cover or protection the vehicle does offer.

    50/50.
     

    Sasquatch

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    I did have one question for you. Do you think there is ever a good tactical reason to leave an operational vehicle (as opposed to an unoperational vehicle)?

    Yes, in some circumstances. Unless you're talking about a vehicle that has been modified with armor panels and ballistic glass, a typical civilian auto is very poor at stopping bullets. If you are concerned about incoming rounds at close range it may be a superior move to get out and get distance or to put more material between you and the incoming rounds. That doesn't apply to this scenario. Would've liked to see the white lady attempt to put a vehicle between her and the black lady, but I'd guess the white lady isn't a cop, a competition shooter, or a soldier so she's probably not had much training on the use of cover or concealment. She did do a good job of giving commands, keeping her cool with her gun drawn, and ultimately, she didn't have to pull the trigger.

    They were attempting to de-escalate and leave and the "mother" stood behind them, blocking their path. Hubby didn't at that point see it as a lethal force situation, so he stopped. His only options were 1.) Stop the car 2.) Make the obnoxious bitch into a speed bump or 3.) Go forward and drive thru Chipotle - he chose the more sensible solution of stopping. When they started beating on the vehicle I'm going to guess, since we haven't heard a statement from them yet - that the wife's fear of having violence committed upon them was ramped up. Given the way the world has been of recent, that's a pretty good assumption. Don't know who is armed, don't know when they're going to start shooting.

    Woman is pregnant so she's got that extra level of fear and tension going on. She's not gonna risk her baby getting hurt so she goes Mama Bear and pulls out her gun and did a pretty damn good job of moving them back while retreating. To the credit of the stupid 15 year old who started the shit - she was trying to talk her mom back once she realized that the Caucasian couple was armed and they were only one stupid move away from decorating the pavement with blood. "Don't move" was heard over and over from the kid to the mom.

    I hope for their sake that hubs did call 9-1-1 also to get their side recorded, and that Chipotle's security cam footage didn't magically get corrupted or lost. Right now all we see is the vantage point from the instigators of the incident, edited down for public consumption to make the whites look bad (and it really doesn't do that, IMO) - I think the white couple had reason to be afraid for their safety or their lives, and I think the response by the lady was reasonable and justifiable.

    There are certainly things that could've been done differently, but hind sight is always 20/20.
     
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