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  • candcallen

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    The fact that you don’t know the Weaver Family story at Ruby Ridge shows your ignorance on subject of modified gun barrels.

    I’m right, you are wrong. “Legal” or not, your “expert” online advice isn’t going help anybody.

    You are setting people up to get busted, hurt or killed. Or at the very least telling someone to trash their firearm for bs tough guy range talk, all so you can walk away with laughs and good ol’boy story. I’ve met a lot of clowns like you in real life. You talk a big talk, but that’s about it.

    Y’all are mad cause I called bullcrap. Deal with it like an adult.

    My advice to anybody reading this thread is to steer WAAAAAY clear of these people. It will only end up really bad for you.
    I suggest you stop digging or turn the bus away from the cliff because your going off based on the false assumption that anyone told anyone to make illegal weapons.
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    jrbfishn

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    What is that old western that they gave a sawed off shotgun to the young deputy because he couldn’t shoot? Previously owned by someone who couldn’t see well. . . . I can’t remember it.
    It was "Eldarado". It was bought for "Mississippi" because all he could use was a knife. Could not shoot shit with a pistol. He wasn't very good with the shotgun either.

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    Texas42,

    JAMES CAAN played "MISSISSIPPI JOHNNY DIAMOND" in EL DORADO, a 1967 JOHN WAYNE western & bought the sawed-off from "The Swede", after "Cole Thornton",(John Wayne) told "Mississippi" that he was hopeless with a revolver.
    According to the movie's script the "sawed off DB" had belonged to a nearly blind & deaf piano player, who got himself hanged for killing the WRONG man in a saloon brawl.
    (As readers have doubtless guessed, I LIKED the movie & have seen it several times over the last 5 decades.)

    ADDENDA: I have been several times tempted to have my own "sawed-off" DB made up by a gunsmith, with a gun-belt/holster made by EPS. = Long ago, when I was a city marshal, I had one that had been confiscated long years before (It was made out of a WWI vintage FOX DB.) & "left behind" by a previous marshal.
    (I was able to STOP more than a few UGY brawls in "joints out on the county line" W/O gunfire, by simply allowing the "participants" to see it in the shoulder holster. - MOST people "have an idea" of how lethal that a shotgun/buckshot is at close range & decided to "go quietly" into custody.)
    As I'm about to be licensed as a Type 7 FFL, I suspect that I will make at least a few of them, IF anyone wants a SBS of their own.

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    jrbfishn

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    The fact that you don’t know the Weaver Family story at Ruby Ridge shows your ignorance on subject of modified gun barrels.

    I’m right, you are wrong. “Legal” or not, your “expert” online advice isn’t going help anybody.

    You are setting people up to get busted, hurt or killed. Or at the very least telling someone to trash their firearm for bs tough guy range talk, all so you can walk away with laughs and good ol’boy story. I’ve met a lot of clowns like you in real life. You talk a big talk, but that’s about it.

    Y’all are mad cause I called bullcrap. Deal with it like an adult.

    My advice to anybody reading this thread is to steer WAAAAAY clear of these people. It will only end up really bad for you.
    There is no State or Federal Law or regulation I know of that makes altering a barrel illegal, by an individual or a gunsmith as long as it stays above the Federal length limit.
    If you do, please enlighten us.

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    candcallen

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    Joe America must be auto fornicating under his bridge. Too busy to answer simple questions to clarify his remarks.

    Besides tossing hand grenades and kicking rocks to watch his handywork from afar like a pervert arsonist is apparently more his style.
     

    seeker_two

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    seeker-two,

    Have you tried 3-inch shots-hells handloaded with five or six 00 or 000 buckshot??
    The 3" (so-called "magnum .410 shells" loaded with buckshot) made in SERBIA & TAIWAN work impressively on animals (and 2-footed predators) to over 125KG.
    (IF I handloaded shotgun shells, I would load some buckshot rounds for my Winchester Model 42 in case that, when out bird/squirrel/rabbit hunting, that I ran into some dangerous animal that small # 4-8 shot is simply inadequate for.)

    yours, satx

    They sound impressive. I prefer the 2 3/4" shells because they let me load five in the tube. I also like the Federal Handgun loads because, being made for short-barrel guns like the Taurus Judge, they provide extra velocity in a longer barrel. The plated 000Buck is also a positive. Besides, I doubt any perp will feel offended if they get shot with only 3 000Buck pellets instead of five.....
     

    satx78247

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    They sound impressive. I prefer the 2 3/4" shells because they let me load five in the tube. I also like the Federal Handgun loads because, being made for short-barrel guns like the Taurus Judge, they provide extra velocity in a longer barrel. The plated 000Buck is also a positive. Besides, I doubt any perp will feel offended if they get shot with only 3 000Buck pellets instead of five.....

    seeker_two,

    I was primarily talking about a .410 load that I know to be EFFECTIVE in dropping a BIG feral boar, should I run up on one of those in the woods, while hunting small game or "during the season" perhaps taking a deer or an "exotic" for "camp meat".

    I cannot tell a lie: I LOVE AXIS VENISON, cooked most any way.
    (Invasive species chili with HALF "scrap" venison & HALF feral pork chunks, served with cornbread muffins, sliced tomatoes & onions, being my favorite.)

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    The fact that you don’t know the Weaver Family story at Ruby Ridge shows your ignorance on subject of modified gun barrels.

    I’m right, you are wrong. “Legal” or not, your “expert” online advice isn’t going help anybody.

    You are setting people up to get busted, hurt or killed. Or at the very least telling someone to trash their firearm for bs tough guy range talk, all so you can walk away with laughs and good ol’boy story. I’ve met a lot of clowns like you in real life. You talk a big talk, but that’s about it.

    Y’all are mad cause I called bullcrap. Deal with it like an adult.

    My advice to anybody reading this thread is to steer WAAAAAY clear of these people. It will only end up really bad for you.

    Unfortunately, no, I didn't know Randy Weaver and his family, as friends or acquaintances. I'm supposing you did?

    I know fully well the story about Randy Weaver. Yes he was set up by an informant. But they wanted barrels "sawed-off" at less than the legal length. HUGE difference from what is being discussed here on this thread.

    Shortening the barrel of a rifle or shotgun isn't illegal, and it's done probably every day in some gun shop, or at home. Shortening one under the legal specifications set by the BATF, is illegal.

    And there is nothing "expert" or an "opinion" based on what we are provide as online information. That same information can be obtained from the BATF website, citing exactly what the laws are.

    And I'll throw another zinger in for you. If a person applies for a "SBS" or "SBR" tax stamp, they can LEGALLY shorten the barrels even under the normal specifications. And it's totally legal.

    Tough guy range talk BS? Seriously dude? Bow exactly who is talking like a tough guy, trying to inflame the members here with false information? Hmmmm...oh that would be you Mr. Joe Tough Guy!

    Do yourself a favor and us a favor. Go find another forum to troll!
     

    satx78247

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    The fact that you don’t know the Weaver Family story at Ruby Ridge shows your ignorance on subject of modified gun barrels.

    I’m right, you are wrong. “Legal” or not, your “expert” online advice isn’t going help anybody.

    You are setting people up to get busted, hurt or killed. Or at the very least telling someone to trash their firearm for bs tough guy range talk, all so you can walk away with laughs and good ol’boy story. I’ve met a lot of clowns like you in real life. You talk a big talk, but that’s about it.

    Y’all are mad cause I called bullcrap. Deal with it like an adult.

    My advice to anybody reading this thread is to steer WAAAAAY clear of these people. It will only end up really bad for you.

    JoeAmerica,

    PITY that you don't know the LAWS relevant to what is LAWFUL vs. UNLAWFUL, when it comes to "cutting down" a firearm.
    (Anybody can LAWFULLY shorten the barrel of a rifle/carbine to 16" & a shotgun barrel to 18", provided that the overall length remains 26" or more. - "Cutting Down" a longarm to less than the legal minimum barrel and/or overall length requires purchasing a 200.oo tax stamp & getting BATFE permission to do so BEFORE modifying the firearm. - Such weapons are generally referred to as a "SBR" or "SBS".)

    Fwiw, over the last 50+ years, IF I had a dollar for every shotgun that I "cut down" for another LEO, I could buy my lady & I a REALLY NICE meal at The Alamo City's fanciest restaurant.

    BEFORE embarrassing yourself further, I suggest that you learn the FACTS or you could simply STOP your CLUELESS blathering .

    ADDENDA: I'm pending receiving my TYPE 7 FFL, so that I can do modifications to firearms LAWFULLY that a person must be licensed to do legally.
    (One of my current plans is to make AR18 "clones", with folding stocks, for sale. - In semi-auto for sale to civilians & in "select fire" to LE agencies.)
    NOTE: The AR18 is in almost every way SUPERIOR to the M16/M4.

    yours, satx
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    Hoji

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    DO NOT LISTEN TO ANY ADVICE ABOUT GUN MODIFICATIONS OR OPERATION IN THIS TREAD.

    It will get you arrested, hurt, or killed.

    You have been warned.
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