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  • Axxe55

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    Screw any pos that supports a mandatory buyback.

    Say a guy saved up and only could afford one gun. Couldn’t buy another for a good while. Said Individual decides to buy a scary ar15. Mandatory buyback...You just violated his second amendment with a no brainer of an example.

    Democrats are retarded.

    Mandatory buybacks are just a form of theft that has been legalized by some politician's stroke of a pen.

    And here's the part that is the salt in the wound, they would use our own money to pay for these guns!
     

    Axxe55

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    Chief Justice John Roberts rewrote obamacare to force us to buy insurance.
    I guess the gov't will just force us to sell our firearms.(just make it up as they go)

    Before Barrett was confirmed, I'd have said the same thing. With her being on the bench now, I feel we have a fighting chance.
     

    billtool

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    As long as the conservatives retain the Senate, it ain't going to happen, regardless of what Biden or Harris want. They would never get one confirmed.
    Well, as long as the Republicans retain control of the Senate. Far from conservative I think. Pray the fine citizens of GA do the right thing.
     

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    Never quite understood why anyone ever wanted to work as an ATF agent unless they were into violating the Constitution or just fucking over people and ruining their liberties (or needed a job and just did not give a damn what it was doing). I worked as a federal agent for 32 years and I think chose my jobs wisely, starting off in the Border Patrol and then going over to Customs ten finally to HSI/DHS (but that through no real desire of my own after 9/11). The the overwhelming great majority of cases I worked, while a Special Agent (criminal investigator), for 28 years or so, were investigations of the smuggling of: drugs, money laundering, terrorism, smuggling of strategic technology, and human trafficking. Thus, my work, as I had hoped & planned, helped to protect the integrity of our borders and our citizens and involved the arrests mainly of foreign nationals and very few U.S. citizens. As for the foreigners, their first acts in the USA were, much more often than not, felonies and misdemeanors - so screw em was my philosophy.

    ATF though, that's a completely different story where the majority of their arrests, I believe, are of U.S. Citizens and the investigations they run, are for the most part (in my long held estimation), a violation of our Constitution. They do lots of good on cases involving bombings and firearms involved murders (with local agencies) but in my opinion, they also willingly do investigations that violate a key clause and key words in the 2nd Amendment - the words being "...shall not be infringed". There will be droves of them moving to suck Biden's arse and crack down on gun owners should he actually get in in January and they will do so gleefully; never quite understood why any citizen takes a job that is set up to outright destroy another citizen's rights.
    I think that there are many/most of the "agents" that are good citizens and became agents to "help" not do be part of infringement. Now, the leaders in the ATF are mostly just evil in many cases.
     

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    The Fuckery has begun.........




    Unaccountable ATF Heads Colluding With Biden Transition Team to Ban Pistol Braces


    Worse then that on Newsmax Biden wants a $200 tax on each of your semi automatic rifles and a tax on each magazine over 10 rounds. They said under his plan a rifle could cost $1000 in taxes. Additionally the rifle will be registered and the owner fingerprinted.
     

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    and if I just don’t do this, what the hell then? I built all my AR’s. It’s the only magazine I own over 8 rounds. I am a 1911 and revolver guy.
    Hell, I may be buying a few Mauser rifles soon, I am a real good shot with those. Probably better then I am with my AR’s.

    just don’t comply, I am already thinking of creative ways to hide what I got in my home if need be.
    Pro-tip. No one wants to swim through blown insulation in a attic, in the summer, in Texas.
     

    Dougw1515

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    and if I just don’t do this, what the hell then? I built all my AR’s. It’s the only magazine I own over 8 rounds. I am a 1911 and revolver guy.
    Hell, I may be buying a few Mauser rifles soon, I am a real good shot with those. Probably better then I am with my AR’s.

    just don’t comply, I am already thinking of creative ways to hide what I got in my home if need be.
    Pro-tip. No one wants to swim through blown insulation in a attic, in the summer, in Texas.
    Don't under estimate who/what we're dealing with here. Hiding stuff in the attic is a pretty bad choice. You see... "they" simply come in with imaging equipment, scan your ceiling, locate your weapons, destroy your ceiling getting them out. After which they may just bid you a good day and leave you with destroyed ceiling to repair at your expense. Or they may just cuff and stuff to use as "example" to other non-conformist.
     

    Spcwolf

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    Don't under estimate who/what we're dealing with here. Hiding stuff in the attic is a pretty bad choice. You see... "they" simply come in with imaging equipment, scan your ceiling, locate your weapons, destroy your ceiling getting them out. After which they may just bid you a good day and leave you with destroyed ceiling to repair at your expense. Or they may just cuff and stuff to use as "example" to other non-conformist.

    Yes this could happen to some, but here is where I think people have a blind spot.

    There isn’t enough federal agents in the country to do a confiscation, they know this. This is why they are hoping we just bend over and comply and turn them in.

    in Canada they have a registry that no one bothers with, it will only be worse here. Without local enforcement helping their plans are just wishful dreams.
     

    benenglish

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    I think that there are many/most of the "agents" that are good citizens and became agents to "help" not do be part of infringement.
    Based on my experience, I'd have to say you're wrong.

    I've known two good, smart ATF Special Agents with integrity. The rest have been people who got off on carrying a gun and a badge and being a fed but were too low-quality to get hired by (or were let go by) the FBI. Remember all those years ago when there was talk about reforming the BATF by rolling it into the FBI and, therefore, enforcing higher standards? That plan went away when the FBI threw a collective fit; there was no way they were going to wholesale adopt into their family the jerks they'd already rejected.

    There are a few agencies that are dumping grounds for failed federal law enforcement officers. Of course, there are good ones in every agency but if you introduce yourself to me as a Special Agent with the Railroad Retirement Board then you're going to have to prove to me you're not a screw-up. Otherwise, how on earth did you wind up as an SA with the RRB?

    There are plenty of similar situations in other agencies. The ATF is, as far as I can tell, the largest of those dumping grounds.

    That's too bad, actually. The ATF has plenty of technical folks/scientists/etc. who do good, vital work. Their politically-motivated leaders and their asshole SAs, however, leave too big a stain for even the best of the rest to erase.
     

    Aus_Schwaben

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    TSA is the other dumping ground. I think the only reason we do not hear much about their transgressions is because there is nothing new to report. They are not well screened, many are caught breaking various laws, and, like most Fed employees, it seems to take forever to be fired.
     

    Spcwolf

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    Based on my experience, I'd have to say you're wrong.

    I've known two good, smart ATF Special Agents with integrity. The rest have been people who got off on carrying a gun and a badge and being a fed but were too low-quality to get hired by (or were let go by) the FBI. Remember all those years ago when there was talk about reforming the BATF by rolling it into the FBI and, therefore, enforcing higher standards? That plan went away when the FBI threw a collective fit; there was no way they were going to wholesale adopt into their family the jerks they'd already rejected.

    There are a few agencies that are dumping grounds for failed federal law enforcement officers. Of course, there are good ones in every agency but if you introduce yourself to me as a Special Agent with the Railroad Retirement Board then you're going to have to prove to me you're not a screw-up. Otherwise, how on earth did you wind up as an SA with the RRB?

    There are plenty of similar situations in other agencies. The ATF is, as far as I can tell, the largest of those dumping grounds.

    That's too bad, actually. The ATF has plenty of technical folks/scientists/etc. who do good, vital work. Their politically-motivated leaders and their asshole SAs, however, leave too big a stain for even the best of the rest to erase.

    The BOP would probably be the worst. Prison is a place no one on either side would want to look to far into. I remember my TDC days, just shut up and keep moving along.
     

    benenglish

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    like most Fed employees, it seems to take forever to be fired.
    It grieves me every time I hear that. New Fed employees can be fired for any reason during the first year. It's an indictment of management that they don't weed out the losers in the first 12 months.

    After probation, yeah, firing is much more difficult. That can be both good and bad but it's also a whole 'nother topic.
     

    smittyb

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    Trump is not a politican (well he was not in 2016 when elected). He was unfamiliar with ATF and their anti-RKBA shenanigans and thus look at what happened with bump stocks. As far as firing ATF higher ups, what would it matter now if Trump winds up being out? If, on the other hand, he retains the presidency - then go for it with a vehemence and make America and our rights even greater again.
    Say what?

     
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