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  • satx78247

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    How about foreign owned? Just cause they moved factories to avoid the tarriff doesn’t mean they’re domestic.

    ArmyDub,

    Had it NOT been for President Trump's intervention, there would have SOON been NO "American-made cars" anymore.

    yours, satx
     

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    How about foreign owned? Just cause they moved factories to avoid the tarriff doesn’t mean they’re domestic.
    But they are. Domestic goods-manufactured or produced in the United States. Regardless of how one feels about it. It's an American product.
     

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    But they are. Domestic goods-manufactured or produced in the United States. Regardless of how one feels about it. It's an American product.

    How one feels shouldn’t matter. If the dollar spent on it goes to a foreign owned business it’s not the same as an America auto maker, or am I mistaken?
     

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    How one feels shouldn’t matter. If the dollar spent on it goes to a foreign owned business it’s not the same as an America auto maker, or am I mistaken?
    We're talking about the goods being manufactured here. That in itself makes them American.
    " The official definition of a "Made in the USA" label as set forth by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) requires that a product advertised as "Made in the USA" be entirely or virtually entirely made in the United States"
     

    ArmyDub

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    yeah whatever

    for the record my original comment still stands Toyota is better in long term reliability than VW.
     

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    Personally, I like buying 3-4 year old cars, because they've taken most of the huge depreciation hit at that point. A 3-4 year old Toyota Avalon is a very nice, quiet, comfortable car that will be reliable for years to come. I have a 2012 BMW 3-series wagon that I bought cheap two years ago & it's been great. It has basically quit depreciating at this point, so as long as I can keep it reliable, I'm going to be happy with it.

    I buy my wife new cars, because ... women.

    As for VW Jettas, my wife had two, back when we were dating ... so early 2000's. One was a lemon that they replaced. The second one also had electrical issues, and ate coil packs every couple thousand miles. I have never considered VW after my experience with those cars.
     

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    We're talking about the goods being manufactured here. That in itself makes them American.
    " The official definition of a "Made in the USA" label as set forth by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) requires that a product advertised as "Made in the USA" be entirely or virtually entirely made in the United States"

    By definition that Made in USA Toyota is still an imported brand. The country that benefits most from their profits is still Japan.

    By your definition, Apple would be a Chinese company.
     

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    By definition that Made in USA Toyota is still an imported brand. The country that benefits most from their profits is still Japan.

    By your definition, Apple would be a Chinese company.
    Posting this again:
    " The official definition of a "Made in the USA" label as set forth by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) requires that a product advertised as "Made in the USA" be entirely or virtually entirely made in the United States"
    Note that is not "my definition"...it's FTC's.
    Profit has nothing to do with it. Toyota North America is a subsidiary, no one knows how much money they fork over to Japan. It's irrelevant anyways, in regards to being a domestic product.
    BTW, Apple isn't made in China, per se. Its components are being made in a number of countries, US included. The gyroscope it's made in Italy, for example. It's the final assembly that takes place in China.
     

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    How one feels shouldn’t matter. If the dollar spent on it goes to a foreign owned business it’s not the same as an America auto maker, or am I mistaken?

    I think you also have to take into account the wages paid to American workers that assemble those cars. Also Toyota moved their headquarters to Plano, TX. I agree they make a much better car than VW.



    By definition that Made in USA Toyota is still an imported brand. The country that benefits most from their profits is still Japan.

    By your definition, Apple would be a Chinese company.


    I ordered a Ipad and have been getting shipping updates. Shipped from China, dropped in Korea, still there, but allegedly I will get it Monday.
     
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    My sons girlfriend had one. They stood on the side of the road and watched it burn up.
    I'm old n cranky n generally unlikable so help me out here. Am I supposed to tremble in sheer horror at the thought or . . .

    is it OK to admit that I L'MAO? :green: :laughing:
     

    satx78247

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    I think you also have to take into account the wages paid to American workers that assemble those cars. Also Toyota moved their headquarters to Plano, TX. I agree they make a much better car than VW.



    By definition that Made in USA Toyota is still an imported brand. The country that benefits most from their profits is still Japan.

    By your definition, Apple would be a Chinese company.


    I ordered a Ipad and have been getting shipping updates. Shipped from China, dropped in Korea, still there, but allegedly I will get it Monday.


    deemus,

    FWIW, if "foreign-made parts" & "assembled in another country" makes a "foreign car", my TREASURED 1992 LINCOLN TOWN CAR is "a foreign car", as it was assembled in CANADA of USA, Canadian, French & Mexican parts.

    yours, satx
     

    Axxe55

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    A lot of foreign car manufacturers built assembly plants in the United States for a few reasons.

    One, it allowed to bypass import tariffs from bringing them into the US from other countries.

    Second, also had to do with meeting US EPA smog standards that other countries didn't have.

    Third, imports have to be many times modified to meet US FMVSS. (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards.)

    It was just more cost effective to build the vehicles here and build them to meet the standards of the United States, and to get past import tariffs. It allowed the "foreign" vehicles to compete in the North American market more competitively.
     

    candcallen

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    A lot of foreign car manufacturers built assembly plants in the United States for a few reasons.

    One, it allowed to bypass import tariffs from bringing them into the US from other countries.

    Second, also had to do with meeting US EPA smog standards that other countries didn't have.

    Third, imports have to be many times modified to meet US FMVSS. (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards.)

    It was just more cost effective to build the vehicles here and build them to meet the standards of the United States, and to get past import tariffs. It allowed the "foreign" vehicles to compete in the North American market more competitively.
    Being the arguement thread someone will be along shortly to correct your naivety.
     
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