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    I’m 90% sure this isn’t a paywall. If there is, I’m sorry.

    NEJM has all their COVID stuff free. . . So anyone can look it up.
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    Please write your representatives to support this bill so we can end this nonsense



    Bills to End Abbott’s Mask Mandate Introduced in Texas House
    State Rep. Matt Schaefer seeks to restrict “executive overreach.”
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    February 24, 2021


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    Texas45

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    Ill just add this here for all to ponder.
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    I’m 90% sure this isn’t a paywall. If there is, I’m sorry.

    NEJM has all their COVID stuff free. . . So anyone can look it up.

    Good info!!!


    " onchocerciasis and strongyloidiasis, " Yikes, those sound bad....
     

    kbaxter60

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    We can argue on what we, as individuals or society, should do or have done, but this nonsense is getting old.
    Huh. I didn't see "mark of the beast", but maybe your monitor is better than mine.
    All you stated other than that was OPINION. so we can argue about that, too. I do think there has been much lying going on. Even the death count number they are throwing around this week was deemed a lie by the CDC (remember the six percent? Okay, they said that about an earlier number, but it was never adjusted and they went from there).

    So, if it's nonsense to you, maybe move along. You are entitled to your opinion. But at the end of the day that is all it is.
     

    Texas42

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    Huh. I didn't see "mark of the beast", but maybe your monitor is better than mine.
    All you stated other than that was OPINION. so we can argue about that, too. I do think there has been much lying going on. Even the death count number they are throwing around this week was deemed a lie by the CDC (remember the six percent? Okay, they said that about an earlier number, but it was never adjusted and they went from there).

    So, if it's nonsense to you, maybe move along. You are entitled to your opinion. But at the end of the day that is all it is.

    CDC website doesn’t contradict the 500k in death numbers. People are getting sick and dying of COVID-19. A lot of them.


    The “mark of the beast” is regarding to other crackpot memes I’ve have seen floating around the internet Making taking a vaccine a political and religious thing. It isn’t.
     

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    CDC website doesn’t contradict the 500k in death numbers. People are getting sick and dying of COVID-19. A lot of them.


    The “mark of the beast” is regarding to other crackpot memes I’ve have seen floating around the internet Making taking a vaccine a political and religious thing. It isn’t.
    So... should we treat the CDC numbers as Gospel???
     

    Texas42

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    So... should we treat the CDC numbers as Gospel???

    What difference does it make if there are 300k who have died? Or 600k? It is impossible to tell the number with exact certainty. How many people died of COVID, how many people would have died anyway. 2020 wasn’t a normal year. The amount of many diseases are much lower Due to precautions for COVID or changes in behavior by lockdowns, so things like estimated excess deaths has its own problems.

    So you are saying this is a big conspiracy between government and medical societies and hospital systems? Do you have a reason why you don’t?
     

    Dougw1515

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    What difference does it make if there are 300k who have died? Or 600k? It is impossible to tell the number with exact certainty. How many people died of COVID, how many people would have died anyway. 2020 wasn’t a normal year. The amount of many diseases are much lower Due to precautions for COVID or changes in behavior by lockdowns, so things like estimated excess deaths has its own problems.

    So you are saying this is a big conspiracy between government and medical societies and hospital systems? Do you have a reason why you don’t?
    "BIG" conspiracy? I dunno. But the phrase "Never let a crisis go to waste!" Keeps popping up on my radar. I do believe covid and the related deaths are real. I also believe the numbers are inflated by those who would benefit from inflated numbers. I believe the fear mongers are in fact using this medical disaster to their advantage. Again... not saying covid is fake - it isn't! I do not believe the CDC numbers in their totality. Seen too many contradicting numbers to believe all I'm being fed or attempted to be fed.
     

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    I keep seeing stories, testimonies, and memes about how way too many deaths are being listed as covid. The story goes that hospitals are rx'ing funding based on covid beds/mortalities/etc. IDK. But the memes etc have been hilarious.

    There have also been people saying that it's being blown up in order for guvs to keep up the draconian power grab. Again, IDK. But I don't mind talking about it in this thread on a discussion site.
     

    toddnjoyce

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    Point of order. Y’all wonder why there is public distrust on all sides of this topic? A picture is worth a thousand words.

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    That was taken yesterday in the state capitol. Notice elected officials have exempted themselves from King Abbot’s order.

    This is not an unusual self-exemption. Watch any White House propaganda conference. Notice the talking head does not wear a mask inside a federal building, in violation of her boss’ own Executive Order requiring it.

    Local and federal officials around the nation have done a good job of stating the use of their lawful power to force public behavior change is based on science, then ignore that science themselves. Watch your local newscast; no masks there, either.

    I’m not a scientist, but I have a hard time with do as I say, not as I do, especially when the sole argument being used to force compliance is “because, science”. Either the science applies equally to everybody, or it is not settled.

    Then I take a look at Florida, where we spent a week last Thanksgiving and hasn’t had a mask mandate since last September and everybody knows all the retirees flock to. As of today, NY’s state wide cumulative death rate per 100,000 people is 59% higher than FL’s.

    Let’s not just look at death rates, let’s also look at infection and hospitalization rates. The Tampa Bay Times did and partnered with politifact to do some research. You know what they found? Not much.

    “...it’s hard to establish causation: Is it the loose regulation that helps reduce infection rates, or is it the low infection rates that allow for looser regulations?”

    If causation can’t be established either way, that reinforces what I’ve said from the very beginning: if we think we know everything there is to be known with only the information we have today, then we are wrong, no matter what.

    I have no doubt many people have died and many more have gotten sick. What nobody knows is how many people have actually contracted the virus. That’s pretty damn important because it establishes the numerator and without it, all the math and science being done is based on assumptions of what the numerator is.

    I expect what will become known is that a whole host of factors from population density to overall health at time of infection and everything in between will have varying contributions to the outcomes.

    But one thing is certain: it is a very rare thing in America for .gov to compel it’s free citizens to change their daily behaviors at the flip of a switch. The last time I can think of would have been the blackout orders before and during WWII. Amazingly enough, compliance then wasn’t quite as universal as you’d be led to think, even in places where it should have logically been.

    In sum, if the science is as strong as it’s claimed to be, then let’s get serious about transparency around what factors are known to contribute to the various outcomes. Let those factors be openly argued in the court of public opinion. Explain why, in plain language, the disparity in rates occur despite similar regulatory environments, whether the be tight or loose.

    But don’t tell do as I say, not as I do. That’s just cheap and disingenuous.
     
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