El Bido expected to release his exec orders on Gun Control Thursday 4/8

[benenglish]

Pistol braces are now SBRs

I gotta go back and re-read that. Is there more than the whitehouse.gov fact sheet? It says:

The Justice Department, within 60 days, will issue a proposed rule to make clear when a device marketed as a stabilizing brace effectively turns a pistol into a short-barreled rifle subject to the requirements of the National Firearms Act. The alleged shooter in the Boulder tragedy last month appears to have used a pistol with an arm brace, which can make a firearm more stable and accurate while still being concealable.

A couple of comments -

• That text doesn't mean the rule will be implemented.
  • Yes, I'm 99% sure it will but let's not be more pessimistic than necessary.
  • We still have plenty of time to buy up all the braces out there and lose them in a lake where they can be dredged up later.
    • I don't own an AR but I just bought an AR brace from Brownells, just because Biden doesn't want me to. (That may be a childish reaction but I don't care.) I may never use mine. It'll probably wind up as a door prize at a future reunion. But they're not out of stock and I suggest everybody get one or two.
• The reliance on the Boulder shooting as a cause to take this action is interesting, especially since I've seen pols that support this talking about "concealable assault weapons" as their (seemingly sole) reason.
  • This coming rule is about the only thing I can imagine that would cause me to resurrect my T/C Contender. It's in parts in a bag, right now, because I hate that pistol. However, I have all the parts required to make it into a braced pistol.
  • So, can a single shot pistol be a "concealable assault weapon", whatever that is?
    • Do I have to get arrested to test this?
  • Given that the bumpstock ban is failing on process issues and that a braced single shot is a ridiculous target for this sort of rule-making, doesn't the ability of the good guys to ultimately prevail in court seem like a solid bet?
    • I'm 80% sure the answer is yes. Eventually.

 

[Maverick44]

If you cannot order it online, buy it at Academy, Cabelas, etc., you have little choice. Most folks will be forced to comply, as they do not have ability to make raw forgings and do their own 80%. They also have no ability to make a brace, so they will be forced to comply on that to.

Got $200? Because that's what a decent 3d printer costs. There are files out there for braces, not to mention numerous guns that have been proven to work just fine.

As for the ammo, brass cases are plentiful and reusable many time over, and casting bullets is extremely easy. You can even make jacketed bullets and even some hollow point designs at home without much issue, though it's a little expensive to get set up for that. Not so much so that it's unattainable for anyone serious about doing it though. The primers can be done at home as well in numerous different ways. Black powder can be easily made at home too, but the main issue is smokeless powder. Though, I would expect someone to come up with an easy enough method for making that at home too if it really becomes an issue.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

 

[Renegade]

Got $200? Because that's what a decent 3d printer costs. There are files out there for braces, not to mention numerous guns that have been proven to work just fine.

As for the ammo, brass cases are plentiful and reusable many time over, and casting bullets is extremely easy. You can even make jacketed bullets and even some hollow point designs at home without much issue, though it's a little expensive to get set up for that. Not so much so that it's unattainable for anyone serious about doing it though. The primers can be done at home as well in numerous different ways. Black powder can be easily made at home too, but the main issue is smokeless powder. Though, I would expect someone to come up with an easy enough method for making that at home too if it really becomes an issue.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

as I said most people will not do it. There are files out to make just about anything, few are doing it. Make you own primer? ROFL.

Anything more than a few mouse clicks is too much effort for 99% of gun owners

 

[candcallen]

Atf already defined concealable as under 26 inches OAL, IIRC.

There is also a maximum LOP as 13 inches.

They are kinda boxed in and arbitrary reg changes havnt worked out well, 855 ammo bump fire etc.

 

[no2gates]

This whole deal is such a phricking fairy tale. This shit will have no impact on anything. I guess 50% of the American population are just plain morons.

Only 50% You don't get out much past the porch, do you?

 

[jrbfishn]

as I said most people will not do it. There are files out to make just about anything, few are doing it. Make you own primer? ROFL.

Anything more than a few mouse clicks is too much effort for 99% of gun owners

Really???
All we know how to do is chisel stone tablets I guess?
There are those out there printing things you don't have a clue about.
You are outing yourself again.

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[Axxe55]

Frankly, I don't care one way of the other what Biden and Harris want, or think they want, or what the declare by proclamation of signing an Executive Order.

If They pass more restrictive laws via EO, it really only matters if you plan on complying with those EO's that they pass. If you don't plan on complying , then whatever EO's are passed, are pretty much a moot point anyways.

My life doesn't revolve around what Biden or Harris want, or what they think. I didn't vote for them, so for me, they are just irrelevant.

 

[Renegade]

There are those out there printing things you don't have a clue about.

Yes they are the 1%.

When Biden declares what we know as 80%, an actual firearm, folks will not be able to order one and all those companies making them will be gone, just like SlideFire is now gone. Like RPB, SWD, Broadhead, and hundreds of others over the decades are now gone when regs changed.

I guess you can have your Fudd attitude "I can print mine, who cares about anyone else", but gun control is bad for gun owners.

 

[Renegade]

If They pass more restrictive laws via EO, it really only matters if you plan on complying with those EO's that they pass. If you don't plan on complying , then whatever EO's are passed, are pretty much a moot point anyways.

Often you are forced into compliance.

Pretty hard to buy a new SlideFire these days. Have not seen any used for sale on this forum either. Have not seen many DIAS for sale for $50 at gun shows lately. Anyone imported a new HK-91? On an on, chipping away, a death by a thousand cuts. One can shout "I will not comply", but you will not buy either.

 

[Axxe55]

Often you are forced into compliance.

Pretty hard to buy a new SlideFire these days. Have not seen any used for sale on this forum either. Have not seen many DIAS for sale for $50 at gun shows lately. Anyone imported a new HK-91? On an on, chipping away, a death by a thousand cuts.

Well, Renegade, you seem more concerned with being compliant than some of us. Worry about your own business of being a good compliant citizen. I'm sure Biden and Harris will send you an invitation to the WH and present you with a medal.

 

[Renegade]

Well, Renegade, you seem more concerned with being compliant than some of us. Worry about your own business of being a good compliant citizen. I'm sure Biden and Harris will send you an invitation to the WH and present you with a medal.

It is easy to not comply when you cannot get it in the first place.

I am concerned with loss of rights, and the inability to buy gun stuff., especially future generations. Losses are usually permanent, we rarely ever get rights back. But when nobody fights back, it is easy to take them.

 

[Maverick44]

Yes they are the 1%.

When Biden declares what we know as 80%, an actual firearm, folks will not be able to order one and all those companies making them will be gone, just like SlideFire is now gone. Like RPB, SWD, Broadhead, and hundreds of others over the decades are now gone when regs changed.

I guess you can have your Fudd attitude "I can print mine, who cares about anyone else", but gun control is bad for gun owners.

The 3D printed gun community is the farthest thing from a Fudd, and claiming otherwise is showing a significant level of ignorance. There are guys out there spending thousands of hours on designing guns and pioneering new ways of making stuff from scratch, and then posting that info on the web for free for others to use as they please. Their goal is to make guns so easy and cheap to make at home that literally anyone can do it regardless of the laws, yet all you're doing is sitting here bitching and moaning with a defeatist attitude.

Making the laws irrelevant by making guns cheap and easy for anyone to build at home IS fighting back. Bitching on a forum against being self sufficient and making your own stuff isn't.

 

[Axxe55]

It is easy to not comply when you cannot get it in the first place.

I am concerned with loss of rights, and the inability to buy gun stuff., especially future generations. Losses are usually permanent, we rarely ever get rights back. But when nobody fights back, it is easy to take them.

You sure spend a lot of time bitching, moaning and complaining, as well as arguing with people here on the forum.

If you are so worried about these rights being lost and not ever recovered, maybe you should find a more productive way to spend your time.

Quit worrying so much about what everyone else is doing or not doing. You're not exactly the best ambassador in getting people inspired to fight back. Your bedside manner sucks.

 

[Renegade]

The 3D printed gun community is the farthest thing from a Fudd, and claiming otherwise is showing a significant level of ignorance. There are guys out there spending thousands of hours on designing guns and pioneering new ways of making stuff from scratch, and then posting that info on the web for free for others to use as they please. Their goal is to make guns so easy and cheap to make at home that literally anyone can do it regardless of the laws, yet all you're doing is sitting here bitching and moaning with a defeatist attitude.

Making the laws irrelevant by making guns cheap and easy for anyone to build at home IS fighting back.

That is all nice, but if you cant take them to the range to shoot because they are illegal, what good are they? Yeah, Tommy 3D- printed 6000 DIAS but has tn where to shoot them is not very helpful.

I will fight so that gun owners do not have to choose to be compliant or not.

 

[Renegade]

You sure spend a lot of time bitching, moaning and complaining, as well as arguing with people here on the forum.

If you are so worried about these rights being lost and not ever recovered, maybe you should find a more productive way to spend your time.

Quit worrying so much about what everyone else is doing or not doing. You're not exactly the best ambassador in getting people inspired to fight back. Your bedside manner sucks.

ZFG

 

[Maverick44]

I will fight so that gun owners do not have to choose to be compliant or not.

How? By bitching to us on a forum? I don't think the Dems really care.

 

[Renegade]

How? By bitching to us on a forum? I don't think the Dems really care.

Discussing Biden's gun control plan and how it will affect gun owners on a gun forum is bitching?

Jeez. Ok let us all shut up then a lock this thread.

 

[Maverick44]

Discussing Biden's gun control plan and how it will affect gun owners on a gun forum is bitching?

Jeez. Ok let us all shut up then a lock this thread.

Depends on if you plan to take any action against his plan. Sitting here complaining about it but ultimately not doing anything? Yeah, that would classify as bitching in my book. Complaining to people who are trying to fight against gun control and telling them that they're not actually fighting against gun control because they're not doing it your way? Yeah, that is definitely bitching.

Discussion means nothing without action, and there's more than one way to fight.

 

[vmax]

well to celebrate that f*ck tards EO, I just bought a Sig EVO 9mm pistol...because f*ck him thats why

 

[Renegade]

Depends on if you plan to take any action against his plan. Sitting here complaining about it but ultimately not doing anything? Yeah, that would classify as bitching in my book. Complaining to people who are trying to fight against gun control and telling them that they're not actually fighting against gun control because they're not doing it your way? Yeah, that is definitely bitching.

Discussion means nothing without action, and there's more than one way to fight.

Well if you took it as complaining my bad. I was trying to point out the his actions will have negative consequences for gun owners, consequences that cannot be avoided with "I will not comply". I am certainly a big fan of 3D and anything homemade, but that is nowhere near mainstream right now.