El Bido expected to release his exec orders on Gun Control Thursday 4/8

[superchief]

i think all this gun stuff is to distract from the border disaster and the spike in covid cases up north.
Nothing in the 1968 gun control act prohibits individuals from making guns for their own personal use. A non-licensed person may make a firearm, provided it is not for sale and the maker is not otherwise prohibited from possessing firearms (such as a convicted felon). (18 U.S.C., Chapter 44; § 922 (d).) Federal law imposes none of the purchase restrictions on non-licensed possessors that it does on those who need licenses, and as a result, homemade guns need not be registered and the owner need not undergo a background check. So to do anything on ghost guns, the retard in chief is going to have to get some laws made, not an executive order.

On the arm braces, that was sheer luck that the ATF ever approved those in the first place. what the bureaucrat can givith, the bureaucrat can taketh away.

We really shouldn't be arguing with each other about the "purity" of our support for the second amendment. we can all think different things. I personally think that the second amendment only applies to me. I don't trust any of you fuckers with a gun.

Continuing my rant, the only difference in the 80% kits the old dodger keeps mumbling about is just convenience. if a pakistani can make an AK out of a shovel, are garden implements next on the prohibited list?

 

[Maverick44]

Well if you took it as complaining my bad. I was trying to point out the his actions will have negative consequences for gun owners, consequences that cannot be avoided with "I will not comply".

I think we all know that. Any sort of gun law or action that the Dems are involved with is guaranteed to have negative consequences for gun owners. Discussion is fine, but we need to actually fight against it in a meaningful way too. Better yet, multiple ways. Making your own stuff and trying to make the law irrelevant is one way, so are legal battles, or non compliance, or putting pressure on politicians, ect. There's a lot of ways to fight this and no one way is the only right way. I think we just need to remember that we are all in this together, regardless of how we choose to fight.

I am certainly a big fan of 3D and anything homemade, but that is nowhere near mainstream right now.

yes, which is why we need to fight to make it mainstream. The more people who learn about it and do it, the better. You can't legislate away knowledge, and 3D printers are here to stay. They could easily be a major tool in the fight against gun control.

 

[Maverick44]

On the arm braces, that was sheer luck that the ATF ever approved those in the first place. what the bureaucrat can givith, the bureaucrat can taketh away.

I don't think it's going to be quite that simple for them to do. They opened Pandora's box. You can't just close that and pretend it never happened. This is not going to be like the bump stock thing, and even that is not working out for them.

 

[Renegade]

yes, which is why we need to fight to make it mainstream. The more people who learn about it and do it, the better. You can't legislate away knowledge, and 3D printers are here to stay. They could easily be a major tool in the fight against gun control.

Well as they say, actions have unintended consequences. The banning of 80% could lead to more R&D into better Ghost Gun type mills with better code that can do more things. That is where we need to be. A home mill than can take a raw block of AL and make a gun.

 

[motorcarman]

I stocked up on AK kits almost a decade ago. Just now I'm looking at completing some.
They were under $200 to about $300 plus the 922r parts. Every few months I would see another on sale so I would buy it and stack it on a shelf in my shop.
Under folders, side folders, fixed stocks, did not matter I just bought them.

People told me I was stupid because you could get complete ones for about $500 but I like to build/fix things mechanical.

Now the damn things are over a grand?

I'll finish my 'ghost-guns' over the next few years thank-you-very-much!

 

[no2gates]

I think we all know that. Any sort of gun law or action that the Dems are involved with is guaranteed to have negative consequences for gun owners. Discussion is fine, but we need to actually fight against it in a meaningful way too. Better yet, multiple ways. Making your own stuff and trying to make the law irrelevant is one way, so are legal battles, or non compliance, or putting pressure on politicians, ect. There's a lot of ways to fight this and no one way is the only right way. I think we just need to remember that we are all in this together, regardless of how we choose to fight.



yes, which is why we need to fight to make it mainstream. The more people who learn about it and do it, the better. You can't legislate away knowledge, and 3D printers are here to stay. They could easily be a major tool in the fight against gun control.

3D printers can't make an effective or reliable gun. You can make a single shot gun maybe shooting a .22lr or I have seen a .380 3D printed gun.
You can print with a FDM printer, a crappy lower receiver maybe would last a few hundred rounds at most.
Now, once 3D-sintering becomes mainstream (I dont think it ever will), then you can print a real gun.

 

[Younggun]

I think we all know that. Any sort of gun law or action that the Dems are involved with is guaranteed to have negative consequences for gun owners. Discussion is fine, but we need to actually fight against it in a meaningful way too. Better yet, multiple ways. Making your own stuff and trying to make the law irrelevant is one way, so are legal battles, or non compliance, or putting pressure on politicians, ect. There's a lot of ways to fight this and no one way is the only right way. I think we just need to remember that we are all in this together, regardless of how we choose to fight.



yes, which is why we need to fight to make it mainstream. The more people who learn about it and do it, the better. You can't legislate away knowledge, and 3D printers are here to stay. They could easily be a major tool in the fight against gun control.

I don’t think a 3D printer is really a tool in the fight against gun control. It may be a way to make something the the gov says is illegal or has banned the sale of, but the gun control and infringements are still there and within a generation most everyone’s kids or grandkids will have turned all of it over to law enforcement when their parents pass away because with most have it no way to learn about firearms or go shooting without the risk of the ATF showing up there will be no connection making keeping anything found worth the risk.

It will be no different than the people who find that MG42 in grandpas attic that he brought back from WW2 and hid away because he didn’t want to register it. That I think is the problem with trying to find ways to work around anti gun legislation. And the point I believe Renegade was trying to make. It’s not really a solution.


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[benenglish]

On the arm braces, that was sheer luck that the ATF ever approved those in the first place. what the bureaucrat can givith, the bureaucrat can taketh away.

I have to disagree. Pistol stabilizing braces that extend from the pistol to attach to the forearm date back at least to the Merrill which was, iirc, the late 1960s.

I don't think the ATF ever had to "approve" them.

 

[Maverick44]

3D printers can't make an effective or reliable gun. You can make a single shot gun maybe shooting a .22lr or I have seen a .380 3D printed gun.
You can print with a FDM printer, a crappy lower receiver maybe would last a few hundred rounds at most.
Now, once 3D-sintering becomes mainstream (I dont think it ever will), then you can print a real gun.

That is completely and totally false. You can make effective, reliable, and durable guns with 3D printers now that will last over 1000rds, and they require no special equipment.

There's a long thread covering numerous designs. Read through it and you'll come out with a different opinion.

This is why you cannot ban guns.

A 3D printed semi auto 45-70 that uses NO commercially available firearm parts and does not require any machining equipment. Yes, it's crude, doesn't quite work yet, and has some other issues, but it shows that if there's a will, there's a way. There's no way to effectively ban what this guy is...

www.texasguntalk.com

 

[Mike_from_Texas]

I remember my father bought an AK-47 before the ban went into place. They still use grandfather laws for things like that. But I do remember he had to wait 7-days. Again, this was more than 30 years ago, so the checks took longer for authorized purchases. The waiting period doesnt make as much sense now because of technology and being able to get information in minutes or hours.
With that being said. I had to wait weeks for my LTC background check because my name and SS# are similar to another person. The NCIS check doesnt confirm that, but I have friends and family in law enforcement and they all pretty much said the same thing. That similar names or SS#'s are typically the most common reason for delays, but rarely for denials.

I think the "ghost gun" is what this order is more geared towards. And its very common in California because the parts and builds are easily obtainable, whether by shipment or by making a few hour drive to Nevada or Arizona.
I dont know much about these types of guns or things like the 3D print stocks, because I would rather just get my shit legally and not have to worry about a plastic gun melting or breaking. 3D guns or "ghost guns" dont seem to be feasible options for long term use anyways.

Why not? It’s not rocket science to finish one out, especially a polymer handgun lower.

But even an aluminum AR lower is easily finished out with a drill press or router and end mill. You don’t have to have a fancy CNC machine to mill one out.


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[Kar98]

Why not? It’s not rocket science to finish one out, especially a polymer handgun lower.

But even an aluminum AR lower is easily finished out with a drill press or router and end mill. You don’t have to have a fancy CNC machine to mill one out.

Shush, you, or they’re gonna outlaw Dremels.

 

[Mike_from_Texas]

I shall stamp them "FVCKBIDEN001", etc

will be watching to see what the process is before I decide if I will register braces as "SBRs", or just remove the brace and put on a single point sling

I kinda like this one.

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[stdreb27]

What exactly did he sign. I’ve been looking for 10 minutes. NOTHING explains what he signed. Just covering his speech and he nominated some kook to run the ATF.


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[Younggun]

Hasn’t signed anything yet AFAIK. Just did a speech saying what he was going to sign.


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[Renegade]

What exactly did he sign. I’ve been looking for 10 minutes. NOTHING explains what he signed. Just covering his speech and he nominated some kook to run the ATF.

See Post #24.

Nothing is signed. Just proposals due in 30/60 days.

 

[stdreb27]

See Post #24.

Nothing is signed. Just proposals due in 30/60 days.

Thanks.
It’s really annoying to go read this and they’re covering what he said not what he plans do do.


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[Jack Ryan]

Are you a FUD? You sure seem butthurt.


I know & have met several FUDS over the years. All have the same mentality.... " I don't know why you need 30 rnds, my .243 shoots just fine with 4 rounds." Most dont own pistols either. If they do its a revolver.
There is no propaganda in my statement... nothing but truth. You'd be suprised the folks you know personally, that have a gun or two ... & you would think they would be PRO 2A.... until they open their mouth & spout stupid shit.

Are you a democrat? You sound like one.

You spell like one to.

 

[vmax]

yall fight nice now.

 

[candcallen]

Usual useful idiots, in this case, arguing with each other instead of seeing the most dangerous part of today. The ATF nominee. That man in that position is unacceptable and the nomination must be stopped.

Put your cocks away, they are all short and unimpressive. While your stroking your tiny wieners the man is getting ready to ram his big cock right up your ars.

Knock it off. Cannibalism is disgusting.

 

[EZ-E]

Are you a democrat? You sound like one.

You spell like one to.
Not TO ... IT'S TOO

I spelz guud, whut yew tawkin bout.

Far from it Elmer, more like Infidel Patriot.
I'm for less taxes & more freedoms.

I find it amusing that your all butt hurt about a FUD comment. If you like wood old school guns...and support the 2nd SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED ... for all, then i wasn't talking about folks like you.

Only a true FUD would be butthurt. It's ok though... once they come for ours, they'll come for yours next.